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    A new way of updating Windows?

    The following article is of interest:

    http://www.windowsobserver.com/2014/...changes-today/

    If Microsoft plans to update Windows incrementally in future (instead of releasing Service Packs, as in the past), the question arises: What happens if, in the future, one wishes to re-install Windows on their PC or in a new system? If one does not have fancy Backup Software, moving a full, fully in-date system image to new hardware (eg a new desktop with a new motherboard) will almost certainly not be possible; so one will have to re-install Windows (this probably only applies to the present latest version of Windows 8 and forward) and then download a massive set of "incremental updates" comprising all updates since first purchasing their particular version of Windows. This could potentially be quite a sizeable download. Far much more of a hassle than using a recent Service Pack on a DVD to speed up the process. Or am I concerned unnecessarily? Either way, keeping backups of RECENT full system images becomes even more important (if this was not the case in the past!!)

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    http://download.wsusoffline.net/

    From the Home page: "Using "WSUS Offline Update", you can update any computer running Microsoft Windows and Office safely, quickly and without an Internet connection." [somewhat misleading since you need an Internet connection to create the ISO but the beauty is it successfully integrates into a post-service pack discarding superseded updates into a "slipstreamed" package.]
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    @Fascist Nation: Thank you; most interesting. However, I think the "NOTE" in that site is worth taking into account:

    "As a conclusion one has to state that WSUS Offline Update is not a complete replacement for Online Update, but it's not meant to be!
    The main goal of WSUS Offline Update is to quickly and safely bring freshly installed Windows systems to a patch level which allows them to be safely connected to the Internet. From this point of view, even the Office part of WSUS Offline Update is a "goodie"."
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    It is obvious from the servicing of Windows 8 that Microsoft at a minimum is going to iterate Windows faster than in the past. that has been stated often enough. However, Microsoft has not yet publicly stated any changes to the official Windows release model. There are valid reasons for businesses to want to have a specific release incorporating new features and not have to deal with new features until the next major release. There may still be some official release of a new Windows version for business even if the majority of the features have been available to consumers on the retail side. Remember that even though Microsoft has tried to go with a longer cycle restricting features Microsoft have released features whenever it wanted or warranted in the past. Besides, if and when the servicing model changes it could be the changes are cumulative so the download may be large but it will only be one download.

    Speculation is OK but until it happens officially I'm not going to worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    However, Microsoft has not yet publicly stated any changes to the official Windows release model.
    Microsoft have publicly stated changes to the previous Windows release model, as indicated by the quote in the article linked at post #1; from this announcement :

    In April, we released a bigger, more comprehensive package of improvements to Windows 8.1 called the Windows 8.1 Update. ... As we said at the time, our goal is to continue to deliver improvements to Windows through regular updates in order to respond more quickly to customer and partner feedback. After all, we already have a regular monthly update process that includes security and non-security updates.

    With the above in mind, rather than waiting for months and bundling together a bunch of improvements into a larger update as we did for the Windows 8.1 Update, customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” ...

    We’ll continue to use our normal channels such as Windows Update (WU), Microsoft Update (MU), and Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) to deliver updates to Windows. These updates will include security updates to help keep you protected, as well as non-security updates that can bring a range of improvements to your PC or tablet running Windows. Examples of some of these non-security updates are the Windows Store Refresh in May and the June update to OneDrive to improve your control of sync. Some of these improvements might be more visible or even new features, while others might be more “behind-the-scenes” that improve things like the performance and reliability of your device. With these monthly updates, we continue to refine and improve Windows 8.1 in a more nimble way, creating a richer experience for all Windows customers.


    Blogging Windows: August updates for Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Speculation is OK but until it happens officially I'm not going to worry about it.
    It started six days ago when the August update for Windows 8.1 included at least five minor new features, as well as security patches and bug fixes:

    Improvements in this update: August 2014 update for Windows 8.1

    So start worrying?


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    This is still no different than what has been done in the past. If "improvements" show up more regularly than they have in the past it is a change in pace not in servicing method regardless of what they are saying. Microsoft have always released improvements to existing features and new feature whenever it was convenient for them. They have generally tried to restrict them to service packs but have released what they called out-of-band updates at various times.

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    Microsoft has never called it Update Tuesday before:

    On August 5, Windows published a Windows blog post discussing its non-security update strategy moving forward,
    which is now on a monthly cadence as part of Update Tuesday.

    http://blogs.technet.com/b/msrc/arch...y-updates.aspx

    If that isn't a change to its "release/servicing model" I don't know what would be.

    (I've only ever seen Microsoft refer to "out-of-band updates" in relation to critical security issues.)

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    I notice that all of Woody's non-security update examples (he mentions seven "useful improvements" before this month) have been since April, which corresponds with Microsoft's announcement.

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    Pick any IE or .NET release that happened in between Windows releases. Upgrades to Windows Media Player. Also, things such as USB 2.0 support in XP. Initial TCP/IP V6 support.

    There are many more examples if you care to dig through the release dates for various programs and features that are part of Windows. Yes, in the past most new features and significant updates were held for a major Windows release. There was a time when service packs would contain new features. Microsoft is just giving themselves public license to do what they've been doing anyway and get some positive publicity for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Pick any IE or .NET release that happened in between Windows releases. Upgrades to Windows Media Player. Also, things such as USB 2.0 support in XP. Initial TCP/IP V6 support.
    Wasn't Microsoft forced to keep some of those separate from actual Windows releases? And wasn't USB 2.0 for XP in SP1? And IPv6 in SP2?


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Yes, in the past most new features and significant updates were held for a major Windows release. There was a time when service packs would contain new features.
    So things have changed substantially, from new features every few years to every month ... but Microsoft shouldn't tell us about that?


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    Microsoft was never forced to keep anything separate from actual Windows releases. For a number of reasons they may have left something out of a major release and then included it later in an update or service pack. Even though USB 2.0 may have been in XP SP1 it was also release before that to accommodate devices not working.

    Microsoft can and should tell us of changes such as speed. But that does not mean it is change in model only timing. They are trying to spin it to maximum benefit which is OK too. But we just need to recognize it for what it is.

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    The usual update of Microsoft is mostly security and their office. This was for windows 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Microsoft was never forced to keep anything separate from actual Windows releases.
    Microsoft were forced to unbundle both Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer from actual Windows releases by court/commission orders in Europe:

    Decision orders Microsoft to offer ... Windows which does not incorporate WMP

    Objections to Microsoft on the tying of Internet Explorer to Windows


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Microsoft can and should tell us of changes such as speed. But that does not mean it is change in model only timing. They are trying to spin it to maximum benefit which is OK too. But we just need to recognize it for what it is.
    I can't imagine what they would need to change for you to regard it as a "model" change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Microsoft was never forced to keep anything separate from actual Windows releases.
    Microsoft were forced to unbundle both Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer from actual Windows releases by court/commission orders in Europe:
    Decision orders Microsoft to offer ... Windows which does not incorporate WMP
    Objections to Microsoft on the tying of Internet Explorer to Windows


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    Microsoft can and should tell us of changes such as speed. But that does not mean it is change in model only timing. They are trying to spin it to maximum benefit which is OK too. But we just need to recognize it for what it is.
    I can't imagine what they would need to change for you to regard it as a "model" change.


    Bruce

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