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    Microsoft Security Essentials: How good is it?

    I was recently back in WashDC where I visited a MicroCenter store. At the help desk, I causally inquired about anti-virus programs and was handed a sheet of paper that listed some antivirus programs in a sort of top ten format. What surprised me was that Security Essentials was listed at the bottom??

    Something like 3 years ago I had a professional install a new hard drive into my old XP desktop machine as a precautionary operation,...being my machine was an aging one. I had been running AVG for years, first the free version, then the paid subscription. I developed this feeling that the 'advanced AVG' was slowing up my computer by just checking and double checking everything too much. My professional installer said that this might be entirely possible.

    He suggested that I just install Security Essentials, a free program, and a very good one in his opinion. I (we) did install that antivirus program and it worked perfect for me for at least 3 years (maybe more, I've forgotten).

    So I was surprised to find it rated at the bottom of a list of good antivirus software? ANY OPINIONS ??


    PS: I found this quote on an older subject thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
    I'm satisfied with what Microsoft said in their blog posting.

    The only thing that creeped me out a bit was "When we explicitly looked for these files, we could not find them on our customers' machines." In other words, they are looking on their customers' machines!

    In my opinion, Fred Langa did the best real-world test of anyone -- he put only MSE on his laptop, and he then went all over the place, connecting everywhere on public wifis. He regularly scanned his laptop with other AV software. After six months of that, he had not been infected once with any malware.

    The only concern I would have about Fred's results is, since he is an IT pro, he certainly has unconscious habits which lead to safer computing than a non-IT person would; this may have skewed his results without him realizing it.

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    See http://www.av-comparatives.org/dynamic-tests/ for independent real world test results. Note the Microsoft finished last out of 23 vendors.

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    MS now advise that as MSE only gives basic protection that you should look at other 3rd party AV programs.

    http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/good...rty-antivirus/

    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/replace...per-antivirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudo15 View Post
    MS now advise that as MSE only gives basic protection that you should look at other 3rd party AV programs.
    ... except that she never actually said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    ... except that she never actually said that.
    Alright then - allegedly but it's still way down in the ratings and the only time I would recommend it would be for elimination purposes against another 3rd party installed AV program.

    I agree some people have used it without any infection problems but that could be because of safe browsing practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudo15 View Post
    MS now advise that as MSE only gives basic protection that you should look at other 3rd party AV programs.

    http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/good...rty-antivirus/
    Okay I just finished reading that link. interesting, sounds like it parallels my experiences in that it was fairly highly recommended back a few years ago, but has declined in ratings fairly significant.

    They seem to like Avast. That was one that came highly recommended by a local young guy who does a fair amount of computer repair. However I have also heard someone say it comes with LOTS of advertisements (pop-ups?)

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    I've been using Microsoft Security Essentials/Windows Defender for as long as they have been provided by MS. Within the last year, I've also added Malwarebytes Pro to my defenses. I've had sites flagged/blocked by one or the other from time to time, but I've had no other issues. I have Windows Defender setup through Task Scheduler to check for definition updates hourly, perform a daily quick scan and weekly full scan. Malwarebytes is scheduled to scan daily.

    In addition, I practice safe surfing. I don't use torrents for any reason at any time. I don't open email attachments unless I am specifically expecting them. I download utilities from only trusted sites (CNET, MajorGeeks, and the like). I make drive images regularly, and safeguard my data with multiple copies on separate hard drives.

    I'm not really concerned about how MSE/Windows Defender are rated, because my real world experience tells me they're good enough for me. They have a small footprint and don't put any noticeable drag on performance.

    YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbearren View Post
    [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]I've been using Microsoft Security Essentials/Windows Defender for as long as they have been provided by MS.

    In addition, I practice safe surfing. I don't use torrents for any reason at any time.
    What is the difference between Essentials and Defender?

    What is Torrents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudo15 View Post
    MS now advise that as MSE only gives basic protection that you should look at other 3rd party AV programs.

    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/replace...per-antivirus/

    So now I am reading that second link you provided, and right off the bat this quote hit me....so true. It is a wonder that that company went along so long before trying to provide protection for their own products !!
    Microsoft threw its hat in the anti-virus arena in 2009 with Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE), a tool that runs on Windows XP, 7 and 8. The move received early praise, as it seemed strange that the company had gone so long without providing even the most basic anti-virus protection, and early tests showed MSE to be nearly as effective as paid competitors.
    The idea that malware developers might be taking MSE into account when creating a new Trojan or virus is plausible, but also hard to prove one way or the other.
    I wonder if this could be the reason I got infected with this latest virus Win32 Chroject.D!dll ....that I brought up in another subject thread titled by that virus' name.

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    Running 2 Anti Virus programs on one computer?

    As it appears, even MS may be hinting that SE be run 'in addition' to another AV. But doesn't this cause conflicts on one's computer?

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    beiland, MSE for Windows 7 and prior. Windows 8's Windows Defender is MSE renamed, refaced. I have run MSE alongside another AV program; I simply turned off MSE's Real Time Protection and scheduled scans that both AV programs would run.
    "Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee." Ben Franklin revisited.
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    Don't overlook the safe browsing, downloading (and installing) and email use habits. Relying on any anti-virus is like relying on the safest-rated car in the world to prevent you from getting into an accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RolandJS View Post
    beiland, MSE for Windows 7 and prior. Windows 8's Windows Defender is MSE renamed, refaced. I have run MSE alongside another AV program; I simply turned off MSE's Real Time Protection and scheduled scans that both AV programs would run.
    My Acer laptop came with Win7 installed. So why does it have a 'Windows Defender' listed in the control panel. I just discovered this the other day and turned it on, hoping that would help protect me from a virus attack. BUT I already was running Security Essentials. If they are the same, why didn't it notify me I was already running it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.U.N. downtown View Post
    Don't overlook the safe browsing, downloading (and installing) and email use habits. Relying on any anti-virus is like relying on the safest-rated car in the world to prevent you from getting into an accident.
    I have slowly learned how to practice safe browsing,...but I am an inquisitive person about many scientific subjects, and boating subjects (my website: www.RunningTideYachts.com), and model RR subjects,...and a little porn photos sometimes.
    So I do a considerable amount of web surfing,....just want a good AV program that is not going to 'overdo it' as my once paid subscription to AVG did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beiland View Post
    What is the difference between Essentials and Defender?
    Basically, Windows Defender is Microsoft Security Essentials for Windows 8. MSE runs on Windows XP and Windows 7.

    What is Torrents?
    Torrent is a file sharing technology that allows the file to be split into numerous pieces hosted on a number of servers. When one uses a torrent client to download a file, the torrent technology gathers the various bits from all over and pieces them back together. This allows for faster downloads of large files, like pirated videos, pirated music, pirated OS's, and a few genuine "free" large files. Torrent networks are notorious for packing malware into bits of popular files. The source/author of the original file(s) has no control over the server network, which are members of the torrent community, which itself is not policed.
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    Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

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