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    WORD (WORD 2000)

    I'm running MS Office 2000 on Win NT. I tried running WOPR Add-ins for a while, but I began to get narrowly spaced gray lines (sometimes horizontal, sometimes vertical, and sometimes both) on all newly created Word documents. I removed the WOPR Add-in thinking that is what caused it. Well, I don't get the gray lines now with newly created docs, but I occassionally get them when I receive/open other docs sent to me. What's causing these gray lines, and how do I get rid of them? Any help would be appreciated. TIA

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Hi,

    Do the lines show up when you print? I would guess not.

    I suspect that you are seeing page margins in the Print View (or Page View). You might be seeing table gridlines.

    Which view are you using? normal? web? print? outline?

    Documents usually save with them the view that was being used last time they were saved after a change had been made. This could account for the variations in what you are seeing. (It is possible that the WOPR add-ins switch you to print view, I don't know since I'm usually in print view.)

    Also, take a look at Tools => Options => View (tab). See if "text boundaries" is checked.
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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Charles,

    I've been having the same problem (if I understood the post) for a few months now. Can't associate it with something that happened at the time.

    In my case, the lines are vertical. I am attaching a zipped bmp of a screenshot of page 1 of a 66-page doc so you can see what's happening (nothing diff about any other pages).

    To answer a few of your questions:
    - the lines are NOT part of a table. Don't see the table's "square with cross arrows" (new with 2000). I inserted a table to be sure and I see the "square" for my table. Definitely not table gridlines.
    - really interesting item, playing with zoom:
    - zoom to whole page: no lines (this was zoom=41%)
    - changed zoom to 55%: 2 pages side by side but no lines
    - zoom to 56%: 2 pages side by side WITH lines
    - zoom to 57%: 1 page with lines
    - zoom >57%: 1 page with lines
    - this occurs only in print layout view, depending on zoom level per above (not in normal, outline,...)
    - if I look at print preview and set zoom at 57% (or other values), no lines. likewise, they don't print from word (they do print from the bitmap - obviously)
    - does not appear to be part of a header or footer (when I open h/f, the lines seem to dim like the main body text)
    - the lines seem to run the area for text - turned on View Text Boundaries. I say seem because Page 1 has a bigger than normal footer (page 2+ has a 1 line footer) and the lines run into the page 1 footer but not the footer for 2+ (page 1 footer, per bitmap, starts with the "Contact" info; page 2+ is only the last line of what you see on page 1). But use of Text Boundaries has nothing to do with the lines (the bitmap was taken with Text Boundaries off)
    - I see nothing odd in terms of templates for the document. I start a new document with my normal template and there's no lines at any zoom.
    - I don't think I've ever seen horizontal lines but won't swear to it.
    - of any relevance?: bmp=539KB (and that's why it's not attached) but zip=17K. Sounds like it could be a template thing (?). Then again, a bmp of 2 pages w/o lines side-by-side at 41% gave a 596KB file.
    - I don't have any WOPR add-ins! (Did back with Office 95 but those have been uninstalled 2-3 yrs ago).

    Thoughts on the issue?

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Do the lines re-space when you zoom? I mean do they spread out when you zoom in and close up when you zoom out? If they do move on zooming, I can't help.

    If they do NOT, ie they remain at the same spacing no matter how zoomed in or out you are, I have seen something like this before, many years ago, and it was something to do with being a copy of a document that was open elsewhere, but I can't remember what exactly. I'll try to remember what it was ... the old braincell is getting tired ...!
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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    I had some problems like that a few years ago; as far as I remember the lines were colored (green or blue); the phenomenon disappeared after I installed a new graphics card (the old one was a $10-model), so it probably had to do with the card or the drivers.

    <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16>Klaus

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Beryl,

    Not sure what you're asking. On the screen, the lines are further apart in you're at 150% than if you're at 75% (as expected). However, I don't think that's what you're asking. At both of the above zooms, I counted 12 of these "phantom" lines per inch (over a 2-inch sample). So I think this qualifies as NOT moving.

    On my system, this has nothing to do with installing a new graphics card, as Klaus talked about in his email. That is not something that changed on my system.

    Your braincell may have triggered something else in my braincell. I also seem to remember seeing some email in Outlook that had the lines at about the time this started happening in Word - some kind of stationary. But it doesn't happen for me in Outlook anymore but still happens in Word.

    Fred

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Hi there,

    Are the drawing gridlines turned on? On the drawing toolbar, click Draw and select Grid, and in the dialog box check to see if the "Display gridlines on screen" is turned on.

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Hi Christie,

    I have only word 97 here at home and "Display gridlines on screen" is not an option on my Draw | Grid dialog. However, I would think this is not the answer - recall that I tried different zooms at work with Word 2000. The lines were there for higher %zooms and not there for lower (the break point being around 56%). I did not play with Grid at work when doing that experiment.

    Nevertheless, I'll give Grid a try tomorrow at work.

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Christie,

    I've checked the document here at work with Word 2000. Looks like you hit it on the head. <img src=/S/clever.gif border=0 alt=clever width=15 height=15>

    I went to the Grid dialog as you suggested, unchecked the show gridlines and they were gone.

    So now I'm curious as to why they weren't shown at smaller zooms. So I set the spacing further apart (made it bigger) and the gridlines showed up at the smaller zooms.

    Problem solved - at least for me. Thanks. Don't know about our original poster.

    This leads to another question: when I create documents, there's certain ways that I like to view them. When I receive a document, I may lose some control of that. The current item is a case in point. Is there a way to set things so that you're looking at "foreign" documents the way you prefer? Clearly, normal.dot does a lot. But the gridline issue shows that there are other items not under control of normal.dot. (I think another one discussed in a recent post was turning on the view mode; I also think zoom setting may have been discussed.) Maybe I should post this separately.

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Hi Fred,

    I don't know this for certain, but I would guess those gridlines disappear at smaller zooms because it they would be difficult to use at that size (they are for adjusting graphic items).

    Yes, it can be annoying to get documents from outside sources and have all these unusual things turned on. I suspected gridlines in your document because I could see there were those curly bracket autoshapes in the file you attached (plus, I've used the grid before). I would think that you can create an AutoOpen macro that will reset everything the way you want it. I'll defer to the experts on that -- I do write macros, but it takes me forever because I am self-taught.

    Good luck!
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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Hi Christie,

    Good idea - an AutoOpen macro. But I've now initiated a separate thread on this. I'm self-taught on VBA too but use it mostly for Access and Excel, very little Word.

    Those curly brackets weren't done with AutoShapes. That's what I thought at first too. I don't think your first guess would have been...an Equation Editor object. But that's what it was. The brackets and the 3 lines to the left of each bracket were done in EE.

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    Re: WORD (WORD 2000)

    Yippee! Problem solved. Somehow the "display gridlines on screen" was turned on. I unchecked it and then set the condition to DEFAULT. It appears to have solved the problem. No more crazy horizontal, verical, or horizontal/vertical lines. Thank you!

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