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    Hi All,

    2 items that I'm not sure how to do on the lounge:
    1. search for an item that's between x and y, or not newer than xx. For example, I just wanted to search for a post that I knew was not very recent. But all the date criteria seem to be "newer than..."

    2. while in a thread, I'd like to create a new post - something in the thread makes me think of something else but I don't want it to be part of the current thread. All the icons in a thread seem related to functions related to the thread.

    Thanks for the help

    Fred

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    Re: 2 items

    1. <LI>I don't think there is an easy answer other than to select the date range that will include the dates you want then scroll down until you find your latest date.

      <LI> Hold down the shift key and click on the <IMG SRC=http://www.wopr.com/w3timages/all.gif> icon. This will open up a new window showing the list of posts in that forum. (IE only I think.)
      Then click on the <IMG SRC=http://www.wopr.com/w3timages/newpost.gif> icon to create a new post.

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    Re: 2 items

    Leif,

    1. on searching for dates: not sure if I understood the answer. If I did, then it doesn't seem very helpful. Suppose I'm searching for something in the range of Feb-June, 2001. For this, I'd have to select "newer than 1 year" or something like that. But that will give me everything from Dec 2000 (or the beginning of the lounge for now) until the present day. But sorted with latest first. So I'd have to page to June and start looking. Is that what you're suggesting? That could be a lot of pages.

    2. on a new post while reading a thread: I see that the up arrow gets me back to index w/ or w/o shift (shift just gets me a new window so I don't lose my place in the thread I was reading). Wouldn't it be better to just have an icon on the thread that opens a new window with the new posting dialog ready to use? This might work for Netscape also. Just a suggestion for an improvement. I was basically doing what you said but using IE's File | New window menu approach.

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    Re: 2 items

    Hi Fred:

    Will take a look at adding a date range option. At this time, you are stuck with what's available. This is usually pretty good if you have a reasonable keyword in the search.
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    Re: 2 items

    >while in a thread, I'd like to create a new post

    I had a similar question a few weeks back:
    If anyone can change the subject

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    Hi Chris,

    I do notice sometime that the subject line get's changed yet it's part of the thread. I wonder how they do that. We could just have 1 big thread regardless of the subject matter and chaos would rule. But for now, I'd be happy if I could create a new thread while reading an existing thread. Ya just never know what might click while you're reading something.

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    Re: 2 items - changed subject

    Changing the subject is simply a matter of, well, changing the subject!

    I think I see what you are getting at - you want a one-click link to open a new window and new post whilst you are still browsing the thread?
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    Re: 2 items - changed subject

    Very tricky to do. Cookies would get confused. Sorry.

    Afterthought. Before you or Geoff jump in. Yes that could be cookies would get crumbled. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    Re: 2 items - changed subject

    Leif,

    >I think I see what you are getting at - you want a one-click link to open a new window and new post whilst you are still browsing the thread?

    Exactly. I was already pretty much doing what your previous post suggested, as I mentioned. But that's a pain! And I'll forgo the ability to create a new Word post while reading an Excel thread. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    As far as changing the subject, I would have thought that should remain "sacred" for a thread. Stupid me. I see it now - I just never thought to notice that was available to me. But can't that become confusing for people?

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    How to bake meringues in Southern Cross

    > I wonder how they do that

    Usually they just send me their credit-card number in a private email, but it's a bit late for that now, as I've done all my Christmas shopping.



    OK. Changing the subject is just a matter of keying over the old one during the reply phase, or going back and editing all the replies that you have sent; neither you nor I can change the subject line on any message posted by Geoff Whitfield, and perhaps that's for the best (grin!).


    I'm reading a thread of "the breeding of rabbits" and realise that I could grow alfalfa sprouts out the side of my vermicomposter. No doubt there is something in the message to which I reply, or in my reply, that prompted my mind to jump to alfalfa sprouts or vermicomposters. If I weren't using an electronic form of reply, I'd be using paper and pencil. In that case I'd shunt the current sheet to one side, take a fresh sheet, compose my thoughts on the new topic, mail it off, then retrieve the original sheet of paper.

    Isn't that we we really want to do in the lounge? I'm composing a reply and think "Alfalfa!"; I need a button that says 'Put me into the composition screen of a new message (second sheet of paper) and place a link to the current message in the new message. When the new message has been posted, place a link to it in this (original) message).

    In a device like the lounge the subject line is pretty well useless, except for eyeballing what's been going on over the past 24 hours. It's not more than a book title on the spine. The good stuff about the lounge is what a search turns up, whether it is embedded in a message or performed from the keyboard. There's little point, really, in the subject line. Some, but only a little.

    The thread on the other hand, is mighty. It represents the stream of consciousness that flows through the bio-electric mass that represents our thinking. The thread hooks together what you said with how I reacted and how Geoff calmed me down ..... and so on. The thread is an entity; it shows how we perform and think. The subject is just a tag, and not a very convenient one at that, either. To see how useless the subject can become, check out the subject of the message you are reading right now. As an exercise, if/when you reply to this, change the subject to "vermicomposition". It is an appropriate subject, since it suggests the worm-tracks that link a variety of threads.


    I suspect that where an idea pops into your/my head, we want a means to let the reader pop over to the new idea just as easily as we can compose a new thread. That is what suggests a mechanism for building links automatically between threads.

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    Make thiose subject headings meaningful

    I do not have time to read every single post in this lounge. Especially in the more technical boards where a lot of it doesn't even apply to my system. If I am browsing I want the title to let me know if I should bother loading the thread.

    I do like your idea of cross links between replies especially when the thread gets really long and has several subthemes going.

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    Re: Make thiose subject headings meaningful

    > I do not have time to read every single post in this lounge.

    Exactly. Me neither. Indeed, in Access I browse the subject headings at the start of the daily archive mailed to me, and may not delve any further.

    I think subject headings are very well suited to this purpose.

    Especially if the subject reads "I need help" or 'help me please" without any other clue. That tells me that the poster is probably to stressed out to describe the real nature of the problem. On the other hand, a well-worded subject gives me the opportunity to dive in and devote time to reading the thread.

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    Re: How to bake meringues in Southern Cross

    Chris,

    agree and disagree.

    Subject lines should be meaningful. I've gone back and looked at old threads that ended months ago. I do a search on a word that I think was part of the subject. When I get a bunch of matches, my first dive, if I don't recognize the posts, is to a thread that has my search words in the subject. I do wonder why email where the subject does NOT have any of my search words even shows up. But I usually don't dive into those.

    As far as linking a new thread to an old thread from which you depart, I disagree that the new thread MUST have a link to the old thread. I recently started a new thread on the Excel lounge on the subject of having "all the custom formats you want - almost" or something like that. This was stimulated by some thread having nothing to do with that. In fact, my new thread is probably related to many other threads that talked about custom formats, which the current thread did NOT.

    So a compromise. When invoking the new window from an existing thread for a new posting, there could be a radio button that, when clicked on, puts in a link to the thread from whence (?) you came (rather than you having to do it - which ain't all that easy when coming from an existing msg).

    So can we can Leif to do it?

    Fred

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    Re: How to bake meringues in Southern Cross

    Sorry. I am the one you have to convince and the change is to risky at this time.
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    Re: How to bake meringues in Southern Cross

    Ian,

    "...risky at this time"

    Implying it could be less risky and, therefore, doable at a later time? I'll wait. Just do it the old-fashioned way until then.

    Fred

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