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    XP retro support

    Greetings, Loungers

    After an ambiguous flirtation with Linux Ubuntu and further research, I figured that the "MINT" distribution might be more suited to my computing needs and SOP's.

    My two 250 GB Sata HDD's were a filewise shambles after seven years of use, and one was useless after I botched a dual-boot install alongside XP SP3.

    I reinstalled XP on the "Sata 0" drive then was successful in saving "Sata 1" after burning a Sea Tools for DOS bootable ISO CD and running the tests and fixes. I will (if all goes well) put Linux Mint on the second HDD and select which OS to boot through the bios (cmos?) SETUP. It only takes a few extra seconds to turn a drive on and the other off.

    Hypothetically this method should also prevent "cross contamination" between drives, barring some extreme and very nasty attack on my PC. If such evil code exists and were to rear its ugly head here then all bets will likely be off anyhow.

    Back to the crux of the biscuit, I was presently surprised when a Belarc Advisor scan showed this:

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    Microsoft Security Hotfixes [Back to Top]

    All required security hotfixes (using the 05/12/2015 Microsoft
    Security Bulletin Summary) have been installed.

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    This was great news. I had thought the XP "End of Support" would mean no previously supplied fixes would be available. I'm guessing if that were the case my XP install would be a real disaster.

    Thank you, Microsoft. I am impressed.

    Now, how long do you figure these hotfixes might remain available, or has a date regardingf the "End of XP Retro Support" been published?

    Regards, R.P.

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    That "news" does not mean any security fixes were installed. None were released for XP. It is just the way Belarc Advisor interprets the hotfix information and then presents it. There has been no extension and no reprieve for XP.

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    That makes an XP system look like XP Embedded to Windows Update. Any fixes you may get are not tested on a regular XP system and may damage the system.

    Microsoft does NOT release any more security fixes for normal 32-bit XP.

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    That is the official MS line alright. Caveat emptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Payton_Place View Post
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    Now, how long do you figure these hotfixes might remain available, or has a date regardingf the "End of XP Retro Support" been published?
    Well, if you download them now, they'll remain available to you forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyl View Post
    Well, if you download them now, they'll remain available to you forever.
    Or until you have to do a factory reset.

    Once everything has been applied and the system is working correctly, the OP might consider doing a full disk image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwoods View Post
    Or until you have to do a factory reset.

    Once everything has been applied and the system is working correctly, the OP might consider doing a full disk image.
    No, forever. A disk image is all very well, but there's nothing like the security of being able to reinstall from scratch if you have to. If he downloads the updates, he can apply them manually, or, like I've done, slipstream them to a new Windows disk. Altogether, that's 3 levels of safety in case of a disaster.

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    Windows XP is a redundant and outdated disaster as it is.

    If you believe MS is going to continue supporting it with security patches then there are a couple of
    bridges in NY I'd like to present for sale to you, ..real cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyl View Post
    No, forever. A disk image is all very well, but there's nothing like the security of being able to reinstall from scratch if you have to. If he downloads the updates, he can apply them manually, or, like I've done, slipstream them to a new Windows disk. Altogether, that's 3 levels of safety in case of a disaster.
    I have a slipstream disk for a Windows XP machine that is now a print server. It's good if I want to install from scratch.

    However, since the machine is no longer in production as a client, it really never changes. So in my scenario, I would most likely use a disk image.

    I would not count on having the ability in the future to download existing XP updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwoods View Post
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    I would not count on having the ability in the future to download existing XP updates.
    Me neither. Which is why I suggested the OP downloads them now rather than later. He's always got them then, if he puts them on a CD or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    That "news" does not mean any security fixes were installed. None were released for XP. It is just the way Belarc Advisor interprets the hotfix information and then presents it. There has been no extension and no reprieve for XP.

    Joe
    Yes, that is correct. These were the hotfixes issued prior to the time of "no more hotfixes". I was just surprised to get those old ones.

    I do not plan to run XP on line once I get the Linux mint up and running. Which should be very soon.

    Thanks to all for the input. Regards-

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyl View Post
    Me neither. Which is why I suggested the OP downloads them now rather than later. He's always got them then, if he puts them on a CD or something.
    Just for future reference and Windows curiosity, how would one go about running these updates if the are burned to a cd or dvd disk?

    I believe you refer to the string of "kb" files which follow a folder named " $shf_mig$ " that are placed in the Windows root directory following an update/updates?

    I dump these once the system appears to be running OK, post-update(s). But I wish I had made a files list of these following the download and installation of all the XP hotfixes, in one fell swoop. That was a GROUP of files.

    One more question please, Worthy Mavens... what about the " $shf_mig$ " folder itself? Is this a part an update(s) and if so, I would handle it correctly how?

    Funny thing is, the process of downloading and installing all this took place so quickly I had not noticed the activity until it was done. Comcast Xfinity cable internet can be blisteringly fast, when the local "node?" is not heavily populated and no bog-downs of an unknown nature rear their ugly little heads in the murky background of the "cyber netherworld".

    I thank you all for your input and assistance. I'm not certain I would have enough time to learn WIN 7, 8, _ 10 and successors, ad infinitum, when I am still busy learning XP.

    So much code, so little time

    Regards, -Rich-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Payton_Place View Post
    Just for future reference and Windows curiosity, how would one go about running these updates if the are burned to a cd or dvd disk?...
    I use Portable Update: http://www.portableupdate.com/ on one of my 2TB USB HDDs to update XP, Vista, Win7, and Win8/8.1 computers.

    Portable Update allows me to choose which updates to download/install. Currently it is storing 28.5GB.

    Saves me a lot of time and downloading.
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    WSUS Offline Update is another tool that works well for that scenario...

    http://download.wsusoffline.net/

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