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    Updating to Win10: Definitely a mixed experience




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    Updating to Win10: Definitely a mixed experience


    By Tracey Capen

    As you'd expect, Windows Secrets contributors jumped on the formal Win10 release, downloading and installing the new OS on their various systems.Not surprisingly, they employed a range of methods just to get Win10 loaded.

    The full text of this column is posted at WindowsSecrets.com/top-story/updating-to-win10-definitely-a-mixed-experience/ (opens in a new window/tab).

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    Yeah; tell me about it. lol

    Have to admit, it was one of the smoothest update/upgrades I ever done on a Microsoft machine. I had left my machine on all night; when I woke up, I saw that Win10 tried to install but failed. I went through some links and voila, started the install. All went well except Virtualbox 5.0 would not launch my VMs. I repaired it and my XP VM would launch but did not have sound. My Win7 VM would not launch. I un-installed then re-installed Virtualbox 5.0. All VMs now launch but I have no sound. Also, if I wake up from hibernate, VB gives me errors and sometimes it even locks up Win10 (so have to hard boot; happened 3 times on and off during the day). I suppose I won't bother hibernating; just will shut down my computer and restart like the good old days. lol

    Hopefully Virtualbox will fix these bugs soon enough; miss my sound. Still, for sandbox purposes, I only browse using a virtualized OS and am typing this now in my XP VM. Thank God for golden recovery points.

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    As a side note, I thought there wasn't going to be a newsletter on the 30th. lolol


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    I've been running Technical Preview for several months now on two PC's, a homebrew and a Dell laptop. Yes, they are my main machines. MS uploaded the latest build, 10240, a week or so ago. I noticed at the time that there was no longer a build number in the lower right-hand-corner of the home screen. On Win_10_Day, I awoke, searched around, and found that sure enough, 10240 was the RTM that people were getting, so I'd had it all along! The thing seems to me to be rock-solid and I have no fears about continuing to use it on my "main" machines. (Well, I do backup data daily, so I'm not completely nuts.) I think they have a winner here, if by a winner you mean something that works as it should.

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    Downloaded the whole thing, 32 & 64 bit and asked it to write an .iso file on a "remote" drive so I could burn a DVD and use that to do all installs.
    This AM, the machine I used to get W10 was screaming at me that its system drive was low on space. It had almost 20 gigs yesterday, today a hair over 5 gigs.

    Thankfully I have FileLocator Pro. Ran that for "new files" on the machine...
    MS wrote a new hidden directory called "$Windows.~WS" that had all kinds of install scripts (I guess) plus the 32 and 64 bit install files in all kinds of directories below the main one.
    FLP allowed me to delete all that stuff and I now have my space back. (Windows Explorer will not show you the directory.)

    Shame, but typical of MS. Hide everything possible to keep it from the "unwashed masses", but don't delete it after writing the ISO.
    AHHHH !!!
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    Everything downloaded and installed on both a laptop and a desktop flawlessly. As I usually do, I ran a Belarc Advisor profile for the desktop this morning and found that it reads the operating system as Windows 8.1(build 9600).

    The laptop indicated that the operating system is Windows 8 Home Premium(build 9200).

    Both were updates from Windows 7.

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    Updating to Win10: Definitely a mixed experience

    The issue with file permissions has been present in every edition I have had since joining the insider program.

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    On my unit I got the following screen which lasted for three hours.
    Being fearful of rebooting, I checked on Google and someone suggested I reboot. Once I did, Win10 loaded as expected.
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    I chided Woody Leonhard for calling Windows 10 an Update. It is an Upgrade, and should be treated with all the seriousness and respect of a System Upgrade. This is no ordinary Windows Update.

    In fact, my ASUS tablet is supposed to upgrade through the Microsoft Store App, not through Microsoft Update or Windows Update. This tablet has a WIM for Recovery, and there may be important reasons (or not) to use only the MS Store App on such devices. (I have the t100ta, just like Lincoln Spector describes, except he didn't say whether his is 32GB storage or 64GB. Mine is 64GB, so it's not WIMBoot. And mine does not store its OEM Recovery Image on a separate 8GB ROM.)

    In any event, I'll be sure to use the ASUS BactTracker utility to create an OEM Rescue and a Driver Restore USB stick. And I'll back up each of these to two real Hard Drives before even considering upgrading anything on this tablet.

    I still sit on the fence about the wisdom and safety of required Automatic Updates. Traditionally, it's not so much the Driver Updates which have caused occasional serious issues (NVidia's current and ongoing issues notwithstanding). It's what Susan Bradley calls kernel-level driver security updates. She is (and I also am) quite gun-shy of these security updates, which under Windows 10 (it appears) cannot be blocked, removed or deferred by Home and most Pro users. Even the Tool does not allow for this, according to Woody Leonhard. (My tablet is a Microsoft Signature Edition, so it does get genuine ASUS driver updates through Windows Updates.)

    So my Windows 10 Upgrade will definitely be deferred several months, until we all can see how safe the upgrade waters are, and what to do if we get shark-bitten by a wayward security update thereafter. I'd rather let others get into the water before committing myself to any possible risk. I've already used up my one free ASUS Factory Reset RMA on the tablet.
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    I've run every incarnation of windows since its initial release and have always installed updates as soon as they are released. I have never had a problem I wasn't able to recover from. By far, the vast majority of Windows Updates are trouble free. I find it amazing that there are as few problems as there are considering the backwards compatibility issues and vast amount of user hardware and software they support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwitalka View Post
    I've run every incarnation of windows since its initial release and have always installed updates as soon as they are released.
    Jerry, +1
    I am with this stuff only since Windows 3.1 but my experiences AND those of my many customers are the same.

    I can only imagine how partially crippled the boxes must have been where people got all the update install angst from.

    Still I never have done an in place OS upgrade with Windows and you know why. BUt I need to let go of this good ol' habit I believe.
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    As long as you aren't having any known issues with your current install, an upgrade install should be OK. They have come a long way since the XP days. But I know what you mean when you say its hard to give it up. You can still do a clean install afterwards once the upgrade install has been done and activated. It might ask for a product key but is should still work if you leave the field blank. I haven't tried it myself but that's what I've read on the Microsoft forum.

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    Ya, but how would you recover? I would always use system restore to back the prow of the OS off the rocks after an update went haywire. Seems that would only be a temporary solution now with W10 unless MS identifies the bad update and sends in the cavalry pronto. I'm also thinking specifically of KB2670838 platform update which wreaked some havoc with some older systems running AMD processors and/or graphics I believe. I had to backtrack and block that update many times.

    I let one system update to W10 via ISO and it went alright, network settings got scrambled so a novice would not have been able to straighten that out, a surprising number of programs don't work or are not compatible yet but the system itself seems to be functioning pretty much as it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.U.N. downtown View Post
    ... a surprising number of programs don't work or are not compatible yet ....
    F.U.N., did you run the compatibility advisor and have you read it's output?

    Either way, PLEASE give names, names, names!
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    Run? Read?...no, this W10 thing is only a side project of a side project for me so I'm lucky I even got around to making an ISO. As far as programs not working or incompatible, just the ones I've tried, all the Stardock software went haywire so I checked and it's not compatible yet, most of my Corel software, if not all, won't start even with direct run as administrator and the Psi service is running. Pinnacle software likewise won't start, GBridge is clobbered both network setting-wise and driver-wise but that may still correct with reinstallation. Nero suite on the other hand, which can be problematic in some XP and W7 installs, seems to be running like a champ.

    I only have some major suites installed since I was only using W8.1 on rare occasions so of those, two thirds have stalled out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobprimak View Post
    Traditionally, it's not so much the Driver Updates which have caused occasional serious issues (NVidia's current and ongoing issues notwithstanding).
    Nvidia driver issues are not current or ongoing:

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    The information posted by Microsoft yesterday on Insider Hub was:

    Updated Nvidia graphics driver available on Windows Update
    This has been addressed and customers with Windows Update will receive the update. If you need to get the latest NVidia driver (version 353.62) immediately, the best way is to launch Windows Update and scan for the updated driver, and then reboot once the driver has been installed.

    Quote Originally Posted by bobprimak View Post
    It's what Susan Bradley calls kernel-level driver security updates. She is (and I also am) quite gun-shy of these security updates, which under Windows 10 (it appears) cannot be blocked, removed or deferred by Home and most Pro users. Even the Tool does not allow for this, according to Woody Leonhard.
    Where did Woody say that the Show or Hide Updates Tool (KB3073930) will not deal with kernel updates?
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