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    Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20> I hate to sound like a complete dummy....but what the heck! I have a used HP Vectra VL6/400 Series 8 computer that does not have an operating system installed and no modem installed. So......which one do I install first????

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    I hope I understand this question .......

    You should install the modem first .... then if the modem is Plug & Play the OS should detect it during ithe installation process. You should have the Driver Disk(s) for the modem handy in case Windows does not have a suitable driver for the modem.

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    <img src=/S/clapping.gif border=0 alt=clapping width=19 height=23> You understood perfectly! Thank you !!!!!

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Sorry to contradict, but I think it should be the other way round. You have to switch off your machine to add the modem card (or plug it in if an external device, unless a USB model). You can only 'install' the associated driver through an OS.
    Logically, it has to be :

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Hmmm ...... you lost me on that one.

    I may have misunderstood the original post. I was assuming that there was no OS installed on the machine. I may have misunderstood the post. He posted .... "HP Vectra VL6/400 Series 8 computer that does not have an operating system installed"

    If there is no OS installed ... you can install the modem, then run "setup" of the OS and it will detect the modem during the OS installation process (if Plug&Play). Of course you could install the modem later, after the OS has been installed.

    I normally do not install any unessesary hardware during the "setup" of a OS, as I have found that it can confuse and corrupt the setup operation. I usually perform setup with only the minimum hardware needed, then after completion I install each additional piece of hardware one at a time. I have had much better luck with this approach.

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Yeah...he lost me on that one too!!! You understood my original post correctly. There is no operating system on the computer ( no Windows 98 or anything else). I am going to put Windows 98 on it ( I have the full version). What I was concerned about was when installing Windows, I know it connects to the internet a couple of times during the setup process. And I didn't know how to install the modem ( internal modem) without Windows. I DON'T DO DOS!!!! So, I'll take any advise you give as long as you try to keep me from having to go into DOS !

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    >when installing Windows, I know it connects to the internet a couple of times during the setup process

    ... as does Eudora 5.1 and anything else that has a mind to.

    You're all allowed to grin (quietly!) at me on this one, but I had the Win95 upgrade CD so long (Install DOS, Install Win3.x, install Win95 upgrade) that I started a list of what I had to do in sequence. Now I'm at Win98SE I see no reason not to continue the list. Two days ago I rebuilt Win98 on my twin 20G drives.

    In this message I have clipped some part of my notes.

    The modem is a USR card, I have to install Win98, it detects the modem on COM2, and as soon as possible I build the dial-up connection so that I can be logged on to the Internet BEFORE Eudora (see notes 23 - 26) asks to upgrade itself.

    Not every step is followed every time. For example, now that the CD drivers are on the boot floppy, step 7 doesn't need to copy them, but the little batch file DOES "format /Q" each partition.

    I hope this helps.


    <pre>Installing Win98
    Do NOT use the DOS FORMAT command from the DOS 6.22 installation disks on a Win95 drives.
    All partitions will be lost in the translation (FDISK) back from Win95 to Win3.x format.
    To prepare the backup drive, see steps following this section.
    1. Backup to hard drive
    2. Copy c: c:bat and c:util to
    3. Copy Desktop shortcuts, Netscape bookmarks to
    4. CMOS: boot from drives A: then C:, disable virus checking
    5. FDISK partitions into 2G chunks
    6. Reformat drives C: etc "A:FmtDrive.bat 20011228"
    7. Install CD-ROM device drivers a:install.exe
    8. Load WIN98 "A:ReInstal.bat"
    9. Generic text printer to File
    10. Citizen 180D to LPT1
    11. HPLaserJet to LPT2 (1 disk)
    12. Create Startup disk; label with today's date to front of installation box
    13. Make shortcut "C:WINDOWSEXPLORER.EXE /n,/e,d:Greaves"
    14. CMOS: boot C: only, enable virus checking
    15. Add hardware (standard modem as COM2)
    16. Display set to 1024x768
    17. Copy registry files to c:Backup.
    18. Copy c:bat; c:util from
    19. Copy Desktop shortcuts, Netscape bookmarks
    20. Reboot Win98
    21. Turn off all monitor standby settings, disable screen saver.
    22. Install QL2Fax - Windows only (1 disk)
    23. Dialup Connection 416-642-8491 cgreaves
    24. Install GriSoft AnitVirus "avg6286fu.exe" using serial number
    XXXXXXXXX and download latest updates
    25. Install Netscape ncoms32.exe
    26. Reinstall Eudora e502.exe; point to mailboxes on D:
    Real name: Christopher Greaves
    Return address: cgreaves@vif.com Mail server: mail@vif.com
    Login name: cgreaves SMTP server: mail.vif.com Save Password
    27. Install WS-FTP
    28. Install Office97 SR2 "Select All" to F:
    29. Delete Actors;
    30. Remove all references to "ff FindFast*.* /e /d"
    31. Word97 Options (appendix)
    32. Install Corel Suite F:
    33. Install Lotus Smart Suite F:
    etc.....
    </pre>


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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Hi
    Sorry to have lost so many people here.

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Very simply, installing that modem is a matter of preference. Some people prefer not to have unnecessary hardware (such as sound cards, etc) in the computer when setting up Windows. My personal experience tells me that Windows is going to blow up when it wants to, regardless of how careful I am installing it.

    You can plug it into the internal slot before you ever do a thing, and setup will most likely find it. Or, you can install Windows, make sure everything is peachy keen, shut down and install the modem - upon rebooting, whammo, new hardware found. All but the very oldest hardware these days should tell Windows 98 that it's there and that it wants a driver. Your best bet is to find a way to get the latest software driver from the manufacturer before you install it - either way - in case the Windows CD doesn't have one for your modem. Even if it does have a driver, it's almost always the smart move to have the latest and greatest *before* you do a thing.
    -Mark

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Hi Chris:
    I have a question about one of your steps (not to imply I understood the others <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>). What do you do to preserve your shortcuts and is it just for desktop shortcuts? If it's a batch file, could you explain it further (remembering that I don't know more than a couple DOS commands <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>).

    Thanks,

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    >What do you do to preserve your shortcuts and

    Right now I drag the desktop shortcuts from the soon-to-be-old drive to a subdirectory of my c:Utils directory, as in C:UtilsDesktop.

    Then, when I XCOPY32 the c:Util to a safe place ready for copying, it will bring my desktop shortcuts with it when it is XCOPYd into the new drive. I could have used a separate directory off the root, but I couldn't see much point in cluttering up the root directory for a preocedure that is run but twice a year.

    > is it just for desktop shortcuts?

    Yes. I use shortcut keys to launch most applications, but drag shortcuts to spreadsheets or diary documents to the desk top. My dial-up connection, email and broswer are all desktop shortcuts. My Explorer shortcut includes parameters "C:WINDOWSEXPLORER.EXE /n,/e,d:%yr%%mt%%dy%" that launch it in today's folder (which on New year's day was d:20020101), and so on. If I don't preserve these shortcuts I have to recreate them one by one as they become necessary, and that seemed like too much work at the end of a reinstall.

    > If it's a batch file,

    Not yet, but I've been considering having a batch file called by the once-a-day procedure part of my boot sequence to flush out and rebuild the c:utildesktop shortcuts area so that that area is always a current reflection of the desktop shortcuts that I use.


    I have just rewritten my boot procedures and could post them here if anyone is interested.

    There is a segment that runs always, every time; loads CED and other DOS command line utilities.

    There is a DOS segment, invoked before Windows is loaded, and a Windows segment, invoked as a batch file from the Startup group.

    Both the DOS and Windows segments test all four combinations of (1) is it my first boot of the day? and (2) is the backup device in place?

    I'll do the backup once per day, and I'll PKZIP my registry files once per day.

    I hope that this helps.

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    Re: Which comes first? The modem or the OS???

    Thanks, Chris. and Happy New Year

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