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    CLiNT's Windows 10 Install Experience

    I got the itch and finally decided to download & install W10...
    I was going to wait 4 or 5 months for that extra bit of polish an OS always needs to go through, but curiosity just got the better of me.

    Of course I wasn't part of the beta testing at any time previously, but there is quite a successful little
    hack out there that will allow you to download it straight away and avoid having to wait your turn.

    LOL
    You just gotta love MS, whenever it comes up with something, anything, there'll always be a hack handy and waiting for you
    to use for any number of things, this particular one was getting my hands on W10 without the goofy waiting game.

    OK, the actual download and install went well, I'm on a wifi connection, but the speeds at night are considerably faster
    than many other times, so that was no issue at all. The total install & setup, I would estimate, took around 40-45 min.

    The only issue I had immediately after was the screen res reverted to something like you would have on a tablet,
    so no problem either, easily rectified. Then there was the uninstalling/turning off of many tiles that W10 contributed.
    Then the curtailing of all the goofy shit that wants to share information with everyone and their dog, no problem. Fixed.

    The big surprise here was everything I've looked at so far in terms of programs and previous OS setting were virtually intact.
    Usually I have to go in and tweak, or "re-tweak" settings, like turning off System Restore, or User Account Control, or some other thing.
    Even my file associations were virtually maintained & identical.

    Cool Things...
    *Complicated registry entries that I had made in W8.1 appear to have been grandfather'd into W10's registry without a hiccup.
    *Although 99% of my file preferences were transferred over in the upgrade, default apps seem very
    easily changeable compared to W8.1.
    *Virtually every W8.1 OS setting I had carried over to W10 upgrade.
    *The OS actually does feel a bit snappier in terms of performance.
    *Tiled apps open up on the desktop and can be resized.
    *It's almost identical to W8.1, scary so, like I never really upgraded at all.
    I was just expecting to tweak a whole lot more "stuff" than I actually found myself needing to tweak.

    Perplexing Things...
    *The new Edge browser looks and feels like a Chrome knockoff, and I HATE chrome browser.
    *Cortana? Why, what for? I guess I'll just have to wait & see about it as time goes on.
    *A big huge search bar on the task bar is a tremendous waste of precious real-estate, it's easily rectified though.
    *They found a way to put the W8/8.1 charms bar in the notification area. That's a bit weird.
    *The Windows 7 "Backup & Restore" feature is still present and it actually says "Windows 7".
    * All of you who moan about the start menu still don't really have it like W7 and prior OSs.
    *The inability to extend the start menu screen laterally a bit more.

    If your coming from W7, or anything earlier, It'll be a whole lot easier to adjust to Windows 10 if you've
    upgraded from Window 8 or 8.1. imho

    The Hit List of Things That still need to be Done...
    *The registry seems to be horrifically impenetrable, I've looked high and low and can't come up with a way to
    get some very specific registry entries changed, (circumvent security?) like the ones for re-enabling WU control for instance;
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX]
    "IsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled"=dword:00000000

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings]
    "UxOption"=dword:00000000
    I'm thinking the overall under-the hood security in W10 is a bit tougher than previous, and just needs to be better understood.
    *Come up with a comprehensive listing of services that can be safely disabled. Awaiting the trusted BLKVIPER for some of these.
    Even though it feels snappier, it could always be a better performer.



    Overall a good upgrade experience with some pleasant surprises, and some known caveats before upgrading.
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    I got the itch and finally decided to download & install W10...
    I have the TP on one machine but I am getting that itch too, and that Benadryl stuff never works

    I didn't want to put W10 on my new, not main box yet. Then I remembered I had a minimal W7 install on my old box. I will be trying the USB install. Presently d/ling with the Media Creation Tool after a manual creation failure. It would have saved MS some bandwidth if they had on option visible to use an existing ISO. Looks like a 15 or 20 minute DL.

    David

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    I just finished letting my HP ProBook laptop upgrade. I have had no contact with win 10 prior to this so I guess this will be a learning experience.
    I waited for the notification but happened to check WU's this morning and Lo & Behold it said windows 10 is ready to install and I just couldn't stop myself from clicking on it.
    The upgrade was painless and everything that was on my desktop ( including wallpaper ) is still there. Even the Sticky notes.
    Just from a casual glance, it looks like it brought everything over to win 10 and my network seems intact.
    So far, so good.

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    My install also went off without a hitch. I'm finding certain things that are already getting to me.
    1: The HERE Maps app doesn't render correctly. By that I mean that the map appears in the upper left third of the page, and show behind the pop out. Not a chance in H@#$ of seeing directions there, and the rest of the page is blank.. Useless, back to the web page for that one.
    2: I cannot find a way to pin some programs like the snipping too to the start list.
    3: The start menu IMHO is laid out with way too much open real estate. Icons could be a little smaller maybe but the space (above and below) the group name needs to be less.
    4: Instead of making people scroll down to their apps, why didn't they make it so that you scroll across like in Windows 8.1...

    That is all (for now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiNT View Post
    The Hit List of Things That still need to be Done...
    *The registry seems to be horrifically impenetrable, I've looked high and low and can't come up with a way to
    get some very specific registry entries changed, (circumvent security?) like the ones for re-enabling WU control for instance;
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX]
    "IsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled"=dword:00000000

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings]
    "UxOption"=dword:00000000
    I'm thinking the overall under-the hood security in W10 is a bit tougher than previous, and just needs to be better understood.
    *Come up with a comprehensive listing of services that can be safely disabled. Awaiting the trusted BLKVIPER for some of these.
    Even though it feels snappier, it could always be a better performer.
    Have you tried System-level Regedit?
    Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

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    Yes, tried that too.
    No matter what I do I can't get through those permissions, can't even delete them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiNT View Post
    Yes, tried that too.
    No matter what I do I can't get through those permissions, can't even delete them.
    Have you tried to change ownership via System level Regedit? Or remote regedit via WinPE?
    Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

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    I haven't tried the remote regedit via WinPE yet, but something tells me I'm not likely to
    have much luck with that either.

    I've tried the system level regediit without success.

    Has anyone else had any success with the above?
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    No but I think the writing was on the wall for this in 8.1; I didn't expect it to stay the same or get easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiNT View Post
    I haven't tried the remote regedit via WinPE yet, but something tells me I'm not likely to
    have much luck with that either.

    I've tried the system level regediit without success.

    Has anyone else had any success with the above?
    I got to it through my dual boot. From 8.1 Pro I opened a System level Regedit, highlighted HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE then clicked File > Load Hive. I navigated to my Windows 10 Pro drive, D:\Windows\System32\Config\ and selected Software in the right pane, then clicked Open. I gave it the name TEST, then expanded down to Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX.

    Right-click UX and select Permissions, click the Advanced tab, click the Enable inheritance button near the bottom of the next box, then at the top beside TrustedInstaller, click Change. Type system into the Names box, then Check Names, system becomes underlined SYSTEM, then click OK. Click Apply and OK again, then give Full Control to System in the Permissions box.

    Right-click UX, make the change, click OK, and it sticks. Get back out by highlighting TEST, then click File > Unload Hive.

    Break Windows enough times, you pick up a few tricks.

    You might need to add PSTools to your WinPE to get a System level Regedit, but it may work without it.
    Last edited by bbearren; 2015-08-05 at 18:53.
    Create a fresh drive image before making system changes, in case you need to start over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbearren View Post

    Break Windows enough times, you pick up a few tricks.

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    true for a lot of shtuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbearren View Post
    I got to it through my dual boot. From 8.1 Pro I opened a System level Regedit, highlighted HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE then clicked File > Load Hive. I navigated to my Windows 10 Pro drive, D:\Windows\System32\Config\ and selected Software in the right pane, then clicked Open. I gave it the name TEST, then expanded down to Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX.

    Right-click UX and select Permissions, click the Advanced tab, click the Enable inheritance button near the bottom of the next box, then at the top beside TrustedInstaller, click Change. Type system into the Names box, then Check Names, system becomes underlined SYSTEM, then click OK. Click Apply and OK again, then give Full Control to System in the Permissions box.

    Right-click UX, make the change, click OK, and it sticks. Get back out by highlighting TEST, then click File > Unload Hive.

    Break Windows enough times, you pick up a few tricks.

    You might need to add PSTools to your WinPE to get a System level Regedit, but it may work without it.
    Thanks
    That sounds promising, I'll look into that.
    DRIVE IMAGING
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    I've been using Registrar Registry Manager Home (the free version) to edit the W10 registry with no problems at all so far. Its a far better program than Registry Editor.

    http://www.resplendence.com/registrar

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