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    Sys Restore Pts Vanishing - No Pagefile.sys File

    My MS Forum Thread has No Replies, so I'm here.

    Win 7 Hm Prem/ ESET ESS AV-FW/ Diskeeper 15 Pro/ FF 40/ IE 11/ MBAM Pro/ SuperAS Pro/ Macrium Reflect v6 ....... I have been regularly losing System Restore Pts, sometimes manually accumulating 11 over 2 weeks and then losing them, or today where one just made disappeared after 24 minutes.

    I cannot find the pagefile.sys file usually discussed w/ SR issues & am sure it has vanished, too..

    From Googling I've only selected (Rt Clk "computer"Properties/Advanced Sys Settings/Advanced/Performance Settings/Advanced/Virtual Mem/Change/"No paging File" and re-booted, then selected System Managed Size again, re-booted. An SR Pt was made and it was gone after checking 24 min later. I did Not do the Defrag /h /c: suggested.

    Definitely Not a techie but I can follow specific directions. Any thoughts appreciated !!
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    Unexplained loss of restore points has been a blight in Win 7 which MS has failed to find a solution - at least none that I've come across and which could account for why you haven't had any replies.

    Turning System Protection off, rebooting and then turning it back on has been known to work for some - but that's the extent of any help I can give on this one.

    I assume you haven't been creating any external system images that you could have restored with that may have pre-dated this problem.
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    Are you dual booting? Every time you boot to the alternate OS you will lose your System Restore points.

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    Thanks for the Replies. No Dual Booting -

    Regular images are made but like climbing the mountain because it's there, I'd love to beat / solve this issue.

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    If it's an OEM machine you may have to resort to a factory reset to resolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudo15 View Post
    If it's an OEM machine you may have to resort to a factory reset to resolve.
    I've always seen in Device Mgr a 14 GB Recovery Partition which I understand takes the computer back to the day I bought it and I made the Recovery DVD's suggested. Then, I presume, I'd use a saved Image (Macrium Reflect v6) to bring it back to today.

    I'll think on that but would get a tech person to help me. Thanks again to all.

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    It wouldn't be in Device Manager, it would be in Disk Management - so I assume that was a typo.

    There would be no point in factory resetting it if you were just going to bring it back to today which would include the current problem - otherwise you could just restore with that now.

    Don't forget that you will have to back up all of your personal stuff including anything in the Docs and Download folders.

    No shortcuts unfortunately, you'll have to sit through the Windows Updates like the rest of us

    What I normally do is reinstall all of the programs I want back on etc. then leave the laptop to download and install the updates before I go to bed as it takes about 9hrs with my download speed - but you need to change the Windows Update settings to Check for but let me choose... and then you can vet the ones you want to install and the ones you want to hide.

    For this I run it on AC on High Performance with the battery installed and have the screen display to turn off after a few minutes, but for the laptop to never shutdown.
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    I could be speculating but I would disable Diskeeper 15 Pro if possible for a few days. Create a SR point, install a Windows Update and compare results to what has been happening. I don't use Diskeeper 15 Pro but as a maintenance utility maybe Windows automatic defrag, etc., are causing some conflict.

    According to http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/
    Windows 7 by default System Restore is set to run at startup. EDIT: and at midnight every day

    When it comes to defragging Windows 7 EDIT: is scheduled to run once a week at an early hour in the morning
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...#1TC=windows-7

    On the page file issues, maybe Diskeeper 15 Pro is also a factor on how it manages whatever it does to maintain your computer

    Moving on to re-installing your Windows 7 if you decide to do so
    Safe your data before re-installing
    After reinstalling do the Windows Updates as mention
    Uninstall bloatware
    Install only programs that are most necessary in your mind: For example Microsoft Office 2013
    Create a pristine system image backup
    Then start using the computer as you normally do
    Create system image backups as you have been doing on schedules basis
    I do mine monthly.
    If you notice something questionable when running a system image backup investigate it immediately
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    Not sure about Diskeeper 15 but I have been running Diskeeper 12 for some time now on auto and have never had a SR problem.

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    "Not sure about Diskeeper 15 but I have been running Diskeeper 12 for some time now on auto and have never had a SR problem."
    --- That eliminates my speculation and that's ok.

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    “From Googling I've only selected (Rt Clk "computer"Properties/Advanced Sys Settings/Advanced/Performance Settings/Advanced/Virtual Mem/Change/"No paging File" and re-booted, then selected System Managed Size again, re-booted. An SR Pt was made and it was gone after checking 24 min later.”
    --- Does this mean the computer typically runs with “No paging file””?
    --- So then you check System Managed Size for the default settings but it didn’t hold 24 minutes later and reverts back to “No paging file””?

    How much RAM do you have?
    --- Do you know what the Virtual Memory settings should be?

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    Below are answers to some questions posed. When I give up on a fix (close now) I'll find a computer friend to do the Start-over routine as it's too scary for my expertise.
    The ONLY solution to this situation I've read about is (ie) when someone installed an App that contributed/caused the SR Pt loss, and someone posted a Fix.
    Never saw a Solution for what I described.

    Thanks again!

    Does this mean the computer typically runs with “No paging file””? Not as a Setting I made in Virtual Mem Mgt, it's on System Manage - BUT Now I wonder if there is no Pagefile.sys File, does System Manage Size choice even work?
    --- So then you check System Managed Size for the default settings but it didn’t hold 24 minutes later and reverts back to “No paging file””?It's the SR Point that Disappeared after 24 minutes from making it, NOT the "System manage Size" VM Setting.
    How much RAM do you have? i5 8G
    --- Do you know what the Virtual Memory settings should be? I've seen some suggested amounts Googling but with System Managed I haven't paid attention.
    There would be no point in factory resetting it if you were just going to bring it back to today which would include the current problem - otherwise you could just restore with that now. I presume the 14G Recovery partition gets it back to day 1 and the Macrium Image would bring it back to Today.
    You're right. It was DISK MGT not DEVICE Mgr that I saw 14G Recovery.
    WIN 7 DEFRAG is DISABLED, I Presume by DK 15. I checked System Scheduler Setting.
    Ran DK 15 on several settings and cannot prove it's the cause. DK Sppt swears it's Not.
    I got 11 "Manual" SR Points over 2 weeks on the MILDEST Setting, then Lost Them. It was on the 2nd Mildest when I lost the SR Pt in 24 minutes.
    I did Not DISable DK 15 long enough to be sure, so I've done that again.

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    CraigS26 try one more thing
    Check Automatically manage paging file size for all drives instead of using system managed size
    Virtual Memory setting.PNG

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmptrgy View Post
    CraigS26 try one more thing
    Check Automatically manage paging file size for all drives instead of using system managed size
    Virtual Memory setting.PNG
    Just set it. Thanks!

    It will be a Good Problem But IF I keep making SR Pts and they stay, I won't know if it's DISabling DK 15 or THIS suggestion you made. Reversing either of them one-at-a-time would be the next step to see which Reversal starts the disappearing act again. I only pursued DK Sppt because in 2011 a guy posted that he ran a "manual" DK Defrag and Lost His SR Points in the process. No other signs of DK mischief- will be surprised if it's DK.
    making a 3rd SR Pt this a.m. since DISabling DK 15.

    Thanks again! Will update soon..

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    With DK Off since 9/22 and Manage Paging File Size for ALL DRIVES since 9/23 I just made the 9th SR Pt.
    I'll have to go at least 2 more weeks to feel confident of some success - AND PRESUME - that should my 45 GB (1 TB Hd Drive) Allotted Space for SR Pts gets Exceeded, the most recent SR Pt DELETES the oldest.

    I'll then Re-Chk System Manage (vs current Mng All Drives) and see what happens for awhile, and IF all is well, I'll ask Diskeeper Sppt for a methodology that they would endorse to help prove -IF - any future Loss of SR Pts is because of DK 15.

    Thanks again to all for your interest! Updates to follow when relevant.
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