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    Why Microsoft Says Windows 10 Upgrades Cannot Be Stopped

    NOTE: I had to turn off AdBlock Plus to read an "Ad-Lite" version of this article. It was worth it for the info on how aggressive MS is on getting Win 7/8 users on win 10.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...ot-be-stopped/

    If you use Windows 7 or Windows 8 then chances are you will have noticed something rather strange and annoying is happening. Microsoft is rolling out software changes which are making it increasingly difficult for mainstream users to avoid upgrading to Windows 10 – and this is why…

    The Misleading Upgrade

    Along with a trio of nasty changes, the one which has caught users most off guard is a simple and highly misleading change to the language surrounding Windows 10 upgrades. In effect Microsoft is now telling Windows 7 and Windows 8 users that they have to upgrade and it cannot be stopped.

    Whereas previous ‘Get Windows 10’ pop-ups in Windows 7 and Windows 8 gave users two options: ‘Upgrade now’ or ‘Start download, upgrade later’ (not exactly championing choice) now the options read: ‘Upgrade now’ or ‘Upgrade tonight’.
    In fact some users are even seeing this latter option disappear and all they get is: ‘Upgrade now’. What the hell?
    Of course experienced users will know they can still dismiss the prompt without selecting either option by instead clicking the ‘X’ in the top right corner of the window, but these are tactics more reminiscent of malware than a leading technology company. Microsoft selling its users a lie

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    Also mentioned in another current thread...

    http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...0-Update/page2

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    Hmmm, guess I missed it.

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    The Forbes article is one of many superficial articles they have written in recent months. It's unfortunate that they would use up column inches on something that has no substance. They say they know WHY Microsoft is doing this but ultimately fall back on the old "because they can" line while completely ignoring more probable answers.
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    Microsoft has already told us why.
    Windows 10 is the last version of Windows and eventually will be the Only version. This will be accomplished by continual upgrades to the OS.
    My addition:
    Of course you will only get these upgrades with a subscription. Thus creating a continuous flow of money into Microsoft.
    Do you "Believe"? Do you vote? Please Read:
    LEARN something today so you can TEACH something tomorrow.
    DETAIL in your question promotes DETAIL in my answer.
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    Will GWX stop this

    If I install GWX Control Panel onto my boss's Win7 Computer do you think it will stop this happening. I have Win10 running on my computer but at work with printers etc the boss dosn't want to take the risk so am wondering if I should help him out by adding GWX for him.
    Thanks Pete.

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    GWX Control Panel should stop it for now.

    Slightly off topic, I fired up an older Win7 machine that hasn't been in use for months. It's not setup to check for updates and hasn't had one done in quite some time because it hasn't been setup.

    Since I set it up a couple weeks ago, it has only been used in the process of archiving my old DVD's (another topic). It hasn't been used to connect to the web for anything but it is on my home network.

    Today, the Win10 Upgrade offer showed up in the system tray. What triggered it to load is anyone's guess. The only thing different between today and every other day for the past couple weeks is that I left it running moving a bunch of files last night. Apparently something "phoned home" even though there should be anything doing that - at least nothing that I know of.

    Ran GWX on it and it's gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussB View Post
    My addition:
    Of course you will only get these upgrades with a subscription. Thus creating a continuous flow of money into Microsoft.
    Of course you are wrong about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIWIpeteW View Post
    If I install GWX Control Panel onto my boss's Win7 Computer do you think it will stop this happening. I have Win10 running on my computer but at work with printers etc the boss dosn't want to take the risk so am wondering if I should help him out by adding GWX for him.
    Thanks Pete.
    I think that's a good idea, Pete.

    Just remind him to check the GWX Control Panel settings after Windows Update to make sure the settings have not been changed.

    Josh Mayfield mentioned that there is an issue with the new Monitor Mode feature (I have it turned off).

    December 1, 2015: I've gotten some very interesting reports from people using the new Monitor Mode feature. Different PCs are seeing different Windows 10 settings get re-enabled for mysterious reasons. They're not false alarms; these settings are really getting re-set by Windows (it's not happening to everybody, just certain users/computers), and I'm doing research and testing to see what I can do to stop it once and for all. To those of you observing this strange behavior: Hang in there; the next version of GWX Control Panel will have some some features intended to help you regain control and better understand what's happening on your PC.

    He is currently working on a new update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIWIpeteW
    If I install GWX Control Panel onto my boss's Win7 Computer do you think it will stop this happening. I have Win10 running on my computer but at work with printers etc the boss dosn't want to take the risk so am wondering if I should help him out by adding GWX for him.
    You haven't said what sort of business environment you work in nor your own role or area of responsibility. The reason I mention this is because many businesses have IT policies and Code of Conduct restrictions that forbid employees from installing software unless various conditions are met.

    For example:
    1. Is there an IT policy that allows you to install software on PC's at work, or does your role include that responsibility (and authorise you)?
    2. Is your boss the head honcho or a sub-manager? (i.e. Does your manager have the authority to allow you to do this?)
    3. Are the PC's at work not locked down to prevent un-managed installation of software (free or not)?
    4. Are the PC's at work joined to a domain?
    5. Do the PC's at work get Windows Updates individually from Microsoft via the Internet or are Windows Updates managed internally via WSUS?
    (Depending on the answers to 4 and 5, you may not need GWX Control Panel.)

    The reason I ask is that - no matter how well-meaning your intentions were - in at least two of the businesses I worked in, one would have suspended you pending investigation and the other would have had you escorted from the premises if you installed software yourself, unless you were specifically authorised due to your role.

    I'm just suggesting that you're very, very clear about what you are allowed to do at work... before you do anything.

    Hope this helps...

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    The reason I ask is that - no matter how well-meaning your intentions were - in at least two of the businesses I worked in, one would have suspended you pending investigation and the other would have had you escorted from the premises if you installed software yourself, unless you were specifically authorised due to your role.

    I'm just suggesting that you're very, very clear about what you are allowed to do at work... before you do anything.

    Hope this helps...[/QUOTE]


    Thanks for that but it's a small business with only myself working for him.(I have been there 6 weeks) Its connected to a printer and nothing else (the fax is disconnected now fibar is installed) The boss is in his late 60's and knows nothing about computers.He dosn't seem to know his main password so when I installed GWX I wasn't able to take full advantage of it as I would of had to do a restart but I was able to uninstall the nagware and also a 6 GB folder of Win 10 files. I was very impressed with the GWX panel as even I could work it out in a few seconds. After I brought it up he told me he had clicked on "install later" and did not know to click on the small X in the top corner so hence the 6 GB WIN 10 folder. I quess.
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    That's OK then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussB View Post

    My addition:

    Of course you will only get these upgrades with a subscription. Thus creating a continuous flow of money into Microsoft.
    Quote Originally Posted by djohnson View Post
    Of course you are wrong about that.
    "Of course"? Can you be more specific?

    I don't blindly trust any company, including Microsoft. Russ makes a good point. And he states clearly that it is his opinion.

    You, however, don't make any point; and you imply that it is common knowledge that Microsoft would never do anything like that.

    My thought is that Microsoft has been wanting for a long time to be able to charge people subscription fees for Windows, rather than get a one-time fee. Wouldn't you want that, if you were Microsoft (or any other company)? I know I would.

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