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    latest update to Windows 10 -- yes, it can get worse

    I've regretted upgrading from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 ever since I did it about 10 weeks ago. Because of what seem to be driver problems, I can no longer record sound (very important!), the computer can hibernate but not sleep (not quite so important), and accessing Control Panel options is confusing and difficult. To balance those drawbacks, I see no advantages.

    Then this morning Windows decided to to an update. Sounds good, I thought. Over TWO HOURS later it said it was almost done. Then for another hour it said it was updating personalized settings, until I finally pushed the reset button. Since then, all day I've pushed the reset button a half dozen times, once during the boot, other times seemingly randomly. The system no longer seems trustworthy.

    Somewhere along the line Media Player Classic disappeared and Avidemux was removed from my Open With list.

    Cortana offered to start and answer any question in the world I might ask -- obvious BS. But when I thought I might experiment with it a little, it warned me that it is going to record so much of my habits and data that I felt like the Stasi wanted to take over my machine. Nope, not interested.

    I hate it. When I get around to doing it, I'm going to take it into my local shop and ask them to re-install Windows 7. I might even experiment with Linux, using a boot-from-disk version to see how much I'd miss Windows. There was a time when I rather liked the challenge of working through the complications of Windows, but now I just find it frustrating and infuriating. I want to do things with my computer, not spend my time fixing it. My next computer may be a Mac.
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    I hear you, but unfortunately, Mac's have their issues as well.

    Creating a disk image before upgrading or making any major changes to your system, and backing up your personal data on a daily basis (incremental...changes only) is always a good thing to do.

    You then have a safety net for getting back to a known good state.

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    The rules
    1/ Before upgrading an OS, create an image or a clone so you can restore your installation in case of problems.
    2/ Always check for updated drivers for sound, graphics, printers etc. The ones you have may not work properly or may be replaced with generic versions lacking in functionality.
    3/ Always check that your programs are compatible with the new OS and check for updates to the ones that are.

    Unless there is absolutely no alternative, NEVER abort an update. You've seen the result.

    Cortana is optional. You can turn it off. You can turn off most of the data collecting features. There are utilities available to make it easier.
    The latest version of MPC is compatible with W10, just install it. Restoring a program to the "Open with" list is easy. Click on "Open with" and then on "Choose another app" and find the program you want to use. Open it and it will be added to the "Open with" list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwoods
    I hear you, but unfortunately, Mac's have their issues as well.
    That's a bit of a sweeping statement. What 'issues' are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidToronto View Post

    I hate it. When I get around to doing it, I'm going to take it into my local shop and ask them to re-install Windows 7. I might even experiment with Linux, using a boot-from-disk version to see how much I'd miss Windows. There was a time when I rather liked the challenge of working through the complications of Windows, but now I just find it frustrating and infuriating. I want to do things with my computer, not spend my time fixing it. My next computer may be a Mac.
    My feelings about Windows 10 are exactly the same. I "upgraded" on release day and eventually reverted to Win 8.1 a couple of weeks ago.

    There were lots of reasons for that, the privacy and security settings, the lack of control over windows updates, the routine Video TRD Failure BSODs that kept recurring even after I had installed supposedly Windows 10-friendly Nvidia drivers, the lack of any benefits to offset those compromises. Then, when the Fall Update uninstalled some of my programs and changed some of the privacy settings back to their default settings, I decided that enough was enough and I reverted to Windows 8.1 Pro. I am so glad I did, because now I don't feel as if I am going into battle every time I log on. I am still engaging in an ongoing struggle with MS, who are determined to sneak the Get Windows 10 app on to my pc and download the Windows 10 installation files; but that is a small price to pay for being able to enjoy computing again.
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    Good advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwoods View Post
    I hear you, but unfortunately, Mac's have their issues as well.

    Creating a disk image before upgrading or making any major changes to your system, and backing up your personal data on a daily basis (incremental...changes only) is always a good thing to do.

    You then have a safety net for getting back to a known good state.
    Best advice today. I had to roll back one of my clients to Windows 7 after Quickbooks 2016 completely lunched Windows 10. I didn't have a recent system image, and I wish I had. Took me two days to get him back in business. Screwed up two of my own machines as well. I'm 0 for 3 so far.

    This is a bit off topic, but it's worth mentioning: Quickbooks 2016 and Windows 10 does NOT work. If you think it does, look at your Windows error logs after you've installed the R3 update. Somebody at Intuit should be horsewhipped.
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    I have had nothing but good luck with Windows 10. In my opinion Windows 7 is now obsolete. Best to move on, or plan on keeping your present computer for the rest of your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djohnson View Post
    I have had nothing but good luck with Windows 10. In my opinion Windows 7 is now obsolete. Best to move on, or plan on keeping your present computer for the rest of your life.
    Not obsolete until 2020.

    Most people will probably be ready for a new computer by then with Windows 2020 installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidToronto View Post
    I can no longer record sound (very important!), the computer can hibernate but not sleep (not quite so important),
    I am able to use Audacity to record audio on Win 10. What were you using?

    Perhaps check into the Power state settings in the bios for the sleep issue, or maybe some drivers need update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobdog View Post
    Best advice today. I had to roll back one of my clients to Windows 7 after Quickbooks 2016 completely lunched Windows 10. I didn't have a recent system image, and I wish I had. Took me two days to get him back in business. Screwed up two of my own machines as well. I'm 0 for 3 so far.

    This is a bit off topic, but it's worth mentioning: Quickbooks 2016 and Windows 10 does NOT work. If you think it does, look at your Windows error logs after you've installed the R3 update. Somebody at Intuit should be horsewhipped.
    Tell me more! I have Quickbooks 2013 and was thinking of "upgrading!"

    Don in Austin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Lewis View Post
    Tell me more! I have Quickbooks 2013 and was thinking of "upgrading!"

    Don in Austin
    If you are currently using Windows 7, use the Windows 8.1 Upgrade Assistant...

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-7-tutorial

    Microsoft has said in the past that if your hardware and applications are compatibile Windows 8/8.1, they should work in Windows 10 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Lewis View Post
    Tell me more!
    http://www.intuitiveaccountant.com/g.../#.VoDh56u3y70

    cheers, Paul

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    Hi! I have found only very minor bugs with W10. I would suggest the clean install rather that the up grade. IMHO the clean install is the way to go. If your happy with your OS, then create a back up image with a 3rd party back up program. Give W10 a try and if it has problems you can't live with, roll it back.

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    But you need to do the upgrade to have the clean install recognized.
    David

    Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.

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    Had no incidents with W10 I've found it to be the smoothest upgrade yet from microsoft on a PC but I do know quite a few folks that have struggled with laptops. Just needs Edge sorting. As said though always backup especially on a laptop.
    Kev

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