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    Apple's vs FBI

    This is poll for Apple vs FBI
    How would you vote on letting the FBI to see a terrorist cell maybe saving your life or Apple keeping it hidden from view.
    My self I nothing in my cell phone that is worth some one's life.

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    If the NSA, and now the FBI, had no track record of abuse, then I might possibly be open to Apple cracking the encryption on that one device, in order to provide the information to the FBI.

    However, in light of the huge amount of abuse that the NSA (and now, apparently, the FBI) regularly engages in, including putting backdoors into as many systems as they can, I fully support Apple in refusing to crack their own encryption, even though it is for assisting in the fight against terrorism.

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    I'm siding with the FBI on this one and it's a highly reasonable request.
    It's NOT like the feds are asking for a backdoor or anything like that.
    It's an individual request on a single device. Apple you suck.
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    I moved this thread. It is not really Lounge related.

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    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP517 View Post
    I moved this thread. It is not really Lounge related.

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    I don't think this is Apple vs the FBI but rather Apple deciding that they are above the US Court system. The FBI has a valid search warrant for the phone granted by the courts. This isn't the FBI going rouge they have followed the rule of law and I think Apple should do the same until such time as the law is changed that's the way it is supposed to work. As always YMMV!
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    The poll is badly written, especially the assumption that capitulating to the FBI request to backdoor this one iPhone will somehow stop terrorism.

    Apparently the authorities already changed the passcode whilst the iPhone was in its possession (thus removing access to it). If true then all credit to Apple for not making an even bigger thing of this.

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    "Everything we know so far about Apple's battle with the FBI"
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/30361...explainer.html

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    This is, indeed, a much more complicated issue than it would appear on the surface. For a long time now, the government has been using the All Writs Act of 1789 as a justification for doing a lot of different things. Apple contends that newer more specific legislation (Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1992) was created to address issues like this and that the FBI is ignoring that in favor of an older, less restrictive law.

    Apple seems to have drawn a line in the sand that says "enough is enough". They have complied in the past with an older system but this now involves a newer system which, according to Apply, they would have to create a special version of their OS which the FBI could use to crack the password.

    I fully admit to not knowing as much about this as legal experts do, but I've heard more than one legal voice say that the government has been playing too fast and loose with the rules lately and it's now come back to bite them.
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    The loser of this is Apple if the Apple wins over the FBI
    Now it will open the door for others to make big money off of braking the I-phone code.


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    Mr Franklin summed it up for me.
    Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

    cheers, Paul

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    If you need to some thing safe do not put on any electronic devise.
    Chewing gum and food coloring works great. Paper works but has a bad taste.
    Apple now is making a contest out of braking the I-Phone

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    It's not liberty to disobey a lawful order, Paul. The FEDs did go through the Constitutional process by getting a court order for the data to be acquired from this one device. This is a lawful search and seizure, not an unlawful one. Not sure why the FEDs weren't able to get the data via their own methods, but I see no problem for Apple to get the data off and give this data to the FEDs.

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    The owner of the phone (San Bernardino County) allows access to the phone. The access was mandated by a court of law. I don't see what else is needed here, really.
    Plus it's completely false that a backdoor was requested. Apple is being what it is usually is: a rotten apple.
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