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    Another Slow Updates Fix for Windows 7

    After reading lumpy95's #32 post at: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...=1#post1061456 I decided to run a test.

    Yesterday (22 July 2016) I installed Win7 HP SP1 x64 to a spare HDD connected to my AMD Quad-core based workbench PC. After Win7 setup completed I opened Windows Update and chose the "Check for updates but let me choose..." option and WU began "checking for updates" at 6:22PM but I aborted at 9:15PM (bedtime).

    This morning (23 July 2016) I installed KB947821 "System Update Readiness Tool", KB3083710 ("Windows Update Client"), and KB3102810 ("Installing and searching for updates is slow and high CPU usage occurs in Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2"), then set WU "checking for updates" at 10:12AM. WU was still checking at 1:17PM, so I aborted and restarted the computer.

    After having a closer look at Woody Leonard's new article at http://www.infoworld.com/article/309...d-3172614.html (thanks lumpy95) and the article linked from Woody's article at http://wu.krelay.de/en/2016-07.htm I decided to try a different approach.

    One thing I was wondering about was whether WU was having trouble connecting the the WU servers, so I went to Control Panel\Internet Options and on the Advanced tab un-ticked SSL3.0 and ticked TLS1.1 and TLS1.2.

    I then disconnected from the Internet and installed KB947821 "System Update Readiness Tool" ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947821 ), then restarted Windows.

    After Windows had restarted I installed KB3138612 (March 2016 "Windows Update Client"), again restarted Windows and connected to the Internet.

    Next I installed the following updates: KB3145739, KB3078601, KB3164033, KB3109094, and KB3168965. Two of those said they didn't apply to my system but that doesn't seem to have affected the outcome.

    After installing the updates I again set WU to "Check for Updates" at 2:22PM and it had completed checking at 2:31PM (33 "Important", 38 "Optional").

    I have since deleted the Win7 HP x64 partition from the spare HDD, have installed Win7 Pro x64 in its place (same HDD). After setup completed I used the above method to prepare WU to check for updates. At 4:09PM I set WU to check for updates but at 4:23PM WU showed "Failed" w/ "Code 8024402C". I immediately clicked "Retry" (4:23PM) and at 4:27PM WU listed 35 "Important" and 38 "Optional" updates.

    So this fix seems to be working, at least for now...
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    Until next month's WU cycle... kudos for keeping up the battle and for the report, I almost gave up in January, having multiple PCs bogged down for 36+ hours each for naught is somewhat depressing.


    Re. the http://wu.krelay.de/en/2016-07.htm method, here's an excerpt from a PM yesterday from me to a colleague on another site:

    I'm just back after working on another one, 59+ days uptime, WU/CPU/memory in overdrive, I stopped WU, installed the linked patches (only 2 were missing), rebooted, ran WU, detected 17 Critical/Important (so no WU installed since May), installed the non-.NET group and rebooted again, ran WU again and installed the .NET updates, rebooted for the third time, all WU's installed successfully.

    Total time: 21 minutes.
    The slowest time of 4 attempts to getting a response/list from the WU server this cycle after running that Dalai/krelay fix was this *one from almost 5 days ago:

    WU.jpg

    Yes, that's still less than 3 minutes after Windows started booting up. No mystery Rollups or manual SSL/TLS changes needed.


    * Note: I had to slip that image in, it shows something that's impossible to detail using W10's wonderful, much improved and updated Task Manager
    Last edited by satrow; 2016-09-17 at 21:18. Reason: fixed awful sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by satrow View Post
    ...No mystery Rollups or manual SSL/TLS changes needed...
    Both clean installs of Win7 resulted in IE8 w/ default settings (SSL3.0 active and TLS1.1 & 1.2 inactive). Those settings need to be changed before accessing the Internet w/ IE8 in any case.

    My thinking was that it was something that should be done sooner rather than later, and could possibly help w/ the slow WU issue.
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    Certainly a good idea to drop old and vulnerable handshaking ASAP, pretty sure I saw reference to TLS in one of the Updates in this months cycle too but I don't recall which kb#.

    If you're on a clean install now, no need to avoid the Evil Update (unless you have one of the ATI/AMD HD4xxx series or similar, perhaps), the font issues, etc. have long been cleaned up (probably because the older superseded patch remnants that caused them for some of us, me included, will have been leapfrogged). They're a thing of the past, I went straight to IE 11 and no problems at all.

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    I think it was some time about September or October 2014 I first saw mention of the security issues w/ SSL and that TLS should be used instead. I changed those settings on my own systems, and since then almost always check those settings on customers' computers.

    AFAIK at least one of the cumulative updates for IE also disabled SSL.

    Have long lost count of the customers' who were unable, or having trouble, to access websites because of the SSL thing. In many cases after only changing those settings their browsing suddenly came to life (instead of IE taking a minute or more to open a webpage it was reduced to a few seconds).
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    I do not use IE as my default browser. I checked and already have all 5 of the krelay updates installed. I also have KB3168205 installed and am waiting on installing KB3172605 as soon as I can find out what else is included. I can see a list of well over 100 files being updated and am hesitant to install it based on lack of knowledge of what MS is doing with this.

    I installed KB3145739 long ago and that seemed to help out with getting my PC up to date. The other files came via WU. I was not having any issues with WU once I got my PC up to date, but decided to install KB3168205 as all of the included KB's were listed and I could research them.
    I do not have Bluetooth on this PC so the loss in functionality would not be an issue. Still no issues with WU on my PC except for still no tray notifications. The biggest issue I am seeing is that MS for some reason disabled tray notifications for WU and so a lot of PC's got behind on updates and are thus running into the slow scan issues for yet another undetermined reason. If you do get you PC up to date, it might be best to manually check for updates every month.

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    I'm getting sick of fixing Windows Update. I never had problems with it before the public release of Windows 10. They seem to have thrown Windows 7 and 8 users under the bus on this update problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satrow View Post

    If you're on a clean install now, no need to avoid the Evil Update (unless you have one of the ATI/AMD HD4xxx series or similar, perhaps),
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    What was the problem with AMD HD4xxx series GPU you are refering to? I just went w/W10 on my GFs computer and had to reinstall (after uninstalling) CCC s/w to be able to adjust brightness.

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    When the KB267838 Evil Update first went to public release, several Revisions of the KB page made reference to issues with HD4xxx cards, iirc, amongst other things. The page is now on Rev. 15 and much has changed on the page, as it has with the actual update.

    Specific problematic graphics mentioned are currently restricted to notebooks that use hybrid Intel/AMD GPUs.

    EDIT: with any OS upgrade, expect at least some 3rd party software to require full uninstall/reinstall routines to recover full usage and 'fix' freezes/hangs, security software especially but generally, the closer the software works to the Windows kernel (it uses drivers/filters), the more likely it is that it needs to be removed/reinstalled (use the correct cleanup routine/tool from the maker where you can).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coochin View Post
    Both clean installs of Win7 resulted in IE8 w/ default settings (SSL3.0 active and TLS1.1 & 1.2 inactive). Those settings need to be changed before accessing the Internet w/ IE8 in any case.
    I rarely use IE, but wishing to be safe, checked anyway, and SSL3 is inactive, but when checking Firefox could find no mention of SSL or TLS. Is it only an issue with IE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelee View Post
    I rarely use IE, but wishing to be safe, checked anyway, and SSL3 is inactive, but when checking Firefox could find no mention of SSL or TLS. Is it only an issue with IE?
    Firefox supports TLS 1.2 by default, but this article will show you how to check.

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1101896

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S View Post
    I'm getting sick of fixing Windows Update. I never had problems with it before the public release of Windows 10. They seem to have thrown Windows 7 and 8 users under the bus on this update problem.
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    not anymore Joe when Win7 SP1 users install KB3161608/KB3172605 & Win8.1 users install KB3161606/KB3172614.

    KB3161608/KB3172605 includes Windows Update Client version 7.6.7601.23453 dated 5/13/2016
    KB3161606/KB3172614 includes Windows Update Client version 7.9.9600.18340 dated 5/13/2016

    So Microsoft patched the Windows Update Agent/Client apps for Win7 SP1 & Win8.1 directly starting late June 2016 and THAT's the long-term solution, regardless of any version of the win32k.sys security fix is installed.

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