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    Sorting through October's patch-servicing changes


    Patch Watch

    Sorting through October's patch-servicing changes


    By Susan Bradley

    October brings Windows 7's new patching process — a single update that includes both security and nonsecurity updates.

    Not surprisingly, there have been some hiccups. But it's been less troublesome than I expected. It's now time to install all of October's delayed updates.

    The full text of this column is posted at windowssecrets.com/patch-watch/sorting-through-octobers-patch-servicing-changes/ (opens in a new window/tab).

    Columnists typically cannot reply to comments here, but do incorporate the best tips into future columns.

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    I didn't see anything mentioned about KB 3192391 ( for W7 ) in patch Watch. Did I miss it?

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    Good article. I have a problem with Win update on my Win 10 computer because the updates automatically reboot. This is not good because I usually put my computer to Sleep with some apps open. When it auto-reboots it fouls up my open apps. Is there a way to do auto-update without auto-reboot and leave the reboot up to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erniejay856
    I have a problem with Win update on my Win 10 computer because the updates automatically reboot. This is not good because I usually put my computer to Sleep with some apps open. When it auto-reboots it fouls up my open apps. Is there a way to do auto-update without auto-reboot and leave the reboot up to me?
    You could change to a completely manual approach that allows you to install updates when YOU want rather than when MS want. (It also lets you wait to see if any updates are causing problems.):

    1. In Services (run services.msc or Start > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services), stop and disable both the Background Intelligent Transfer (BITS) and Windows Update services.

    2. Copy/paste the following code into Notepad and save it to something like "WindowsUpdate.bat" on your desktop. (Make sure the new file ends in .bat, not .txt)

    Code:
    REM Start the Windows Update and Background Intelligent Transfer services
    
    sc config wuauserv start= auto
    sc config bits start= auto
    net start wuauserv
    net start bits
    
    REM Now run Windows Update and wait
    
    control /name Microsoft.WindowsUpdate
    pause
    
    REM When finished, stop the services and disable them
    
    net stop wuauserv
    net stop bits
    sc config wuauserv start= disabled
    sc config bits start= disabled
    Now, if you ever want to check for Windows Updates, just right-click on the WindowsUpdate.bat file and choose Run as Administrator.

    This will enable both services, start them then run Windows Update automatically, allowing you to manually Check for updates.

    When you close Windows Update and press a key in the BAT file's commandline window (where it prompts you to Press any key to continue...) the BAT file will continue, will stop the 2 services, disable them both again and close the commandline window automatically.

    I use this with both Windows 10 and Windows 7, although it will also work with earlier versions of Windows back to Vista.

    Try it... you can always change back if you find it's not to your taste.

    Hope this helps...

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    Angry Windows 7 Updates - Need a fix from Microsoft similar to KB3161608 - please pass message on

    Windows 7 is nearly broken by its new cumulative updating mechanism; I'll explain.

    My "canary in the coal mine" for updates is "does IE11 work?" If problems with the update, uninstall the update; you can't do this so easily with the cumulative updates as in KB3185330 (October Rollup)

    This happened earlier in the year until it got fixed by KB3161608. Now KB3161608 is no longer available and has been rolled up into KB3172605 (called the July Rollup - but became available in September). Install KB3172605 and IE 11 does not work.

    A number of patches have this IE 11 problem:
    KB3175024 (MS 16-111, Sept 2016)
    KB3172605 (July Rollup) see above
    KB3185330 (October Rollup)

    Installing the patches irregardless of IE 11 working and the PC seems slower. You also need to install another browser; if you did not, you are being "hung out to dry by Microsoft", tough luck Microsoft is working on Windows 10 and their new browser, Edge.

    Microsoft should keep the old separate updates for Windows 7. Ultimately Windows 10 (W10) users are going to have these types of problems too; I may already have a W10 PC that gives you a "Retry" button with a useless nondescript error message because W10 Cumulative Update could not update.

    Update Nov 8, 2016
    This can be worked around by going into EMET 5.5, App and unchecking EAF and EAF+ for iexplorer (also MS Office 2007 and MS Office 2010 components.) This was in one of the patch details about known problems.
    Note: You may want to skip KB3175024 (MS 16-111) it may be causing problems with Firefox
    Last edited by lolleroid; 2016-11-08 at 12:53. Reason: additition information - detail update

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    I'm a little confused. Under the heading "Cleaning up Office and Windows nonsecurity fixes," the Oct. 27 Patch Watch article still says to put the nonsecurity updates on hold, as did the Oct. 13 article. Was this maybe a misprint, or should these really still be on hold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBurk View Post
    I'm a little confused. Under the heading "Cleaning up Office and Windows nonsecurity fixes," the Oct. 27 Patch Watch article still says to put the nonsecurity updates on hold, as did the Oct. 13 article. Was this maybe a misprint, or should these really still be on hold?
    It doesn't. It says; "> What to do: Install these nonsecurity updates as you see fit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
    It doesn't. It says; "> What to do: Install these nonsecurity updates as you see fit."
    Hmm, strange, but the 10-27-16 article that I can see still says "What to do: Put the nonsecurity updates on hold until we have more information — and we’ve sorted out this month’s Win7 security fixes." At any rate, I'm glad to hear there isn't a problem with them, and thanks for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBurk View Post
    Hmm, strange, but the 10-27-16 article that I can see still says "What to do: Put the nonsecurity updates on hold until we have more information — and we’ve sorted out this month’s Win7 security fixes." At any rate, I'm glad to hear there isn't a problem with them, and thanks for your help.
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    That was Oct 13. On Oct 27 it said Install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceR View Post
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    That was Oct 13. On Oct 27 it said Install.
    Again, I appreciate your help and am glad that you can see that wording, but I really am looking at the Oct. 27 article and double-checked after your reply. Maybe the Oct. 27 article was edited later and my browsers still have some sort of old cached copy, but I even logged in on someone else's computer, brought up the Oct. 27 article, and still don't see what you see. Very odd.

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    I think you are both right.

    My emailed issue of the newsletter has BruceR's version of the text (i.e. install...) whereas when I look at the online version just now I see the text referred to by JBurk (i.e. put on hold...). The two versions clearly differ.

    HTH
    mo.eu

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo.eu View Post
    I think you are both right.

    My emailed issue of the newsletter has BruceR's version of the text (i.e. install...) whereas when I look at the online version just now I see the text referred to by JBurk (i.e. put on hold...). The two versions clearly differ.

    HTH
    mo.eu
    Thanks, I didn't think to look at the emailed version.

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