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    The Quest for Windows 7 (a full, legitimate copy)

    In the past I've mentioned that I will undoubtedly have problems down the road with my copy of Windows 7 (Professional, 64-bit) because it's an upgrade disk - I have to first install Windows XP and then upgrade, but I'm finding that most newer motherboards don't even recognize Windows XP as a valid OS. This meant earlier this year that I (regrettably) had to use my wife's Dell version of Windows 7 to get my computer up and running while my regular motherboard was back at the manufacturer's getting rebuilt. It's back now, and as soon as I get up the courage to do yet another computer teardown/rebuild, I'll be back in action the way I prefer - but as I said, down the road I'll have the same problem, and on a more permanent basis.
    So I started looking around earlier this year for somewhere I could buy a full copy of Win 7 Pro - but I found either nothing at all or a confusing number of choices that I couldn't figure out, with an even wider variety of prices that did nothing to help me find what I wanted.
    Earlier this month we bought my son a new laptop from Dell, and I just received an email with a gift e-card for $80 - the catch being, of course, that I can only spend it at Dell. So just out of curiosity I checked, and they do have a copy of windows 7 available - and since it's for $149, I would like to assume it isn't the Dell-centric version of Windows, but a 'real' vanilla copy that is what I'm looking for.

    Here's a link to their product: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/microsoft-windows-7-professional-w-sp1-license-1-pc-oem-dvd-64-bit-lcp-english/apd/a7737207/software

    I don't know what the 'LCP' indicates, nor am I so confident that the 'OEM' cancels out any hopes I may have of getting the vanilla version I'm hoping for. But if anybody can clarify just what that is, I'd be very appreciative, of course. After I saw this I did a bit of searching online to find what LCP stands for, but it doesn't look like Microsoft is very forthcoming with details like that, so I'm still unsure. (I've always gone under the assumption that OEM was just another term for bare-bones packaging of an original product, but who's to say they aren't using that indiscriminately now, to indicate anything that originated with Microsoft, even if it has been altered from the original.)

    And of course if this isn't any more than Dell trying to cash in on the DVDs that they used to hand out for free with a warranty hard drive replacement, then I'm still anxious to find a copy of Windows 7 as insurance against future problems. So if anybody has a lead on where that might still be available, I'm all ears!
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    Go to "Download Windows 7 Disc Images (ISO Files)" ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/soft...nload/windows7 ).

    After you enter your Win7 product key you should be able to download an ISO file which you can burn to DVD to create an install DVD w/ Win7 SP1 which you can then use to clean-install (or repair-reinstall) Win7 SP1 w/o having to upgrade from a previous version of Windows.
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    Do be aware that when you obtain a bare Win 7 iso, such as the one Coochin pointed you to, you don't get any of the drivers for your hardware. This will include video drivers, webcam drivers, etc. Accordingly, you'll want to check what drivers you're currently using and download the latest versions of those too - presumably from the relevant hardware makers' websites.
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    @ macropod

    I understood from the OP that he wants a "bare bones" Win7 install DVD. It should be quite obvious that such will not include updated drivers to suit the OP's system, but I don't think drivers was the OP's concern anyhow.

    The OP seems to be quite comfortable w/ driver & other software issues & was simply asking for a way to avoid having to install XP first then using his Win7 upgrade DVD to upgrade from XP to Win7 (after which upgrade he would probably have to install SP1, etc).
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    The drivers folders can be backed up from C:\Windows\System32 but would the key from an upgrade version be accepted by the MS download site for a retail copy ?

    If need be, I can supply DJM with Win 7x64 Pro SP1 disks which may be used to perform a repair install and then use Slui 3 to change the product key, if it accepts the disk as compatible with the current install.

    Would this be acceptable by Lounge standards ?
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    LCP is Low Cost Packaging. It just means it's not in a fancy box. No other implications, it's the same otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djmoore View Post
    In the past I've mentioned that I will undoubtedly have problems down the road with my copy of Windows 7 (Professional, 64-bit) because it's an upgrade disk - I have to first install Windows XP and then upgrade, but I'm finding that most newer motherboards don't even recognize Windows XP as a valid OS. This meant earlier this year that I (regrettably) had to use my wife's Dell version of Windows 7 to get my computer up and running while my regular motherboard was back at the manufacturer's getting rebuilt. It's back now, and as soon as I get up the courage to do yet another computer teardown/rebuild, I'll be back in action the way I prefer - but as I said, down the road I'll have the same problem, and on a more permanent basis.
    So I started looking around earlier this year for somewhere I could buy a full copy of Win 7 Pro - but I found either nothing at all or a confusing number of choices that I couldn't figure out, with an even wider variety of prices that did nothing to help me find what I wanted.
    Earlier this month we bought my son a new laptop from Dell, and I just received an email with a gift e-card for $80 - the catch being, of course, that I can only spend it at Dell. So just out of curiosity I checked, and they do have a copy of windows 7 available - and since it's for $149, I would like to assume it isn't the Dell-centric version of Windows, but a 'real' vanilla copy that is what I'm looking for.

    Here's a link to their product: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/microsoft-windows-7-professional-w-sp1-license-1-pc-oem-dvd-64-bit-lcp-english/apd/a7737207/software

    I don't know what the 'LCP' indicates, nor am I so confident that the 'OEM' cancels out any hopes I may have of getting the vanilla version I'm hoping for. But if anybody can clarify just what that is, I'd be very appreciative, of course. After I saw this I did a bit of searching online to find what LCP stands for, but it doesn't look like Microsoft is very forthcoming with details like that, so I'm still unsure. (I've always gone under the assumption that OEM was just another term for bare-bones packaging of an original product, but who's to say they aren't using that indiscriminately now, to indicate anything that originated with Microsoft, even if it has been altered from the original.)

    And of course if this isn't any more than Dell trying to cash in on the DVDs that they used to hand out for free with a warranty hard drive replacement, then I'm still anxious to find a copy of Windows 7 as insurance against future problems. So if anybody has a lead on where that might still be available, I'm all ears!
    Don't give up on your quest, I believe I saw an announcement from Microsoft in October saying that the only Win7 and Win8/8.1 allowed to be sold now is what is already installed on new computers available for sale or in the hands of retailers.

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    Thanks, everyone - I may have mis-spoken on what I am actually looking for, which is (ideally) a retail version of Windows 7 Professional (64-bit). The link to the .iso download I will try, but it might not work for me since I have the Upgrade on DVD, but not a full version. I'll give it a shot and see what happens. the motherboard I'm using right now doesn't recognize Windows XP, for which I DO have the full version, after which I do the upgrade to Windows 7; that's the catch for me.

    I tried the link that Coochin provided and got this message in return:

    The product key you entered appears to be for software licensed through an Enterprise Agreement. Please contact the Volume Licensing Service Center for software recovery options or visit the Volume Licensing Home Page for more information on Enterprise Agreements.

    The upgrade I have (didn't think it would matter, but apparently it does) was purchased when my daughter went away to college from her school's bookstore, along with the copy of Office 2010 Professional that currently won't install on the version of Windows (Dell) that I resorted to. It's been suggested that I need to contact Microsoft to "free up" the product key for Office from the original motherboard, since that's how it was registered, in order to be able to install it once again on a different system (motherboard) - but then, since I'm planning on putting that motherboard back into my system within the next month or two (and I've been using FreeOffice for the time being) I don't know if that would be necessary - wouldn't the original motherboard be recognized and the installation be allowed to proceed once it's back in the system?

    And as far as Windows itself is concerned, as long as the link on the Dell website is not actually a DELL-branded version of Windows, I'll be happy to get that in order to have a full version handy for future needs. That's what I was trying to say when I was talking about 'real vanilla' versions of Windows.

    And since LCP stands for Low-Cost Packaging ... which sounds like what OEM used to stand for ... now I'm confused on another level.

    For me OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer, and indicates OEM packaging - for a hard drive that was the drive only in an anti-static bag, put into a shipping box and sent to me for a conveniently low price. That, as opposed to Retail packaging - the nice-looking box with a drivers disk (and safety padding) and any other handy add-ons I might need.
    But since Low-Cost Packaging seems to represent an identical scenario, having OEM and LCP in the same product description causes me worry or confusion - actually, both - does OEM now mean it's the DELL version of Windows, where the Dell logo appears on the System Properties screen and in other areas (and including Dell gribble along with the Microsoft Windows files)? I hope my confusion isn't confusing anybody else, and that you can see where I need clarification. For the past 7 years I've been doing warranty repairs on Dell (and other) computers and installing the "Dell version" of Windows on Dell computers when necessary - so I'm aware of some basic differences between that and the "normal" Microsoft version, and I don't want those differences. It most certainly includes a lot of baggage that I won't need that potentially causes conflicts when installed on non-Dell systems.
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    Once that OEM version is installed on one machine, you won't be able to install it on another - unlike with a retail version, although Coochin has said he was able to do just that, even though it's supposed to be nailed to the mobo on the machine that it is installed on.

    MS has stopped selling anything Win 7 and Googling for a Win 7 install, I've only ever come across OEM versions, but the advert never said who the OEM belonged to.

    Dell's $169 seems cheap compared to the prices I came across when I was looking for a Win 7 x64 Pro when I was considering upgrading my Toshiba Win 7 Home Premium - but have since upgraded to Win 10.

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    If it helps, LCP is a Microsoft term, so it's unlikely that it's branded. A brief (very brief) explanation here.

    Secondly, why not just do a clean install with your upgrade disk? MS have confirmed that it's legal. An article here explains the process.

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    I've also quite a few reinstalls on Dell [even own a few myself] and the Win7 and earlier COA stickers with the Product Key usually had OEAct or OEMAct printed on them, seldom had to do a separate Activation of those computers. It usually did not make a difference as to the actual Dell-branded disc I used as long as the version was the same as the sticker and model name such as Dimension or Optiplex. I found that if the sticker mentioned SP1 the disc also had to show SP1.

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    I will eventually do a clean install, once I have collected all the components for a PC rebuild. I'm not physically all that able to handle something like that more than once in a great while (neuropathy from chemo makes it difficult for me to handle tools, especially small ones, with any sense of confidence or coordination). But right now the motherboard currently in my computer does not recognize Windows XP as a valid OS, so I can't install that first and then go on to the Windows 7 Upgrade. If I'd known that motherboards were being built with only certain OSs in mind, I would have done some more shopping around before getting this one while my XP-friendly was undergoing warranty refurbishing.
    I'm waiting on the Christmas season and, presumably, other components such as new case (my current one is over 10 years old and the fans, which can't be replaced, are not doing their job any more), video card (still working with DVI, and my eyes aren't enjoying the lack of clarity), and a few other odds and ends so I can finally do at least a little work from home while I'm convalescing. Which is why I don't just put the XP-friendly motherboard back in right now.
    But while I have the Upgrade disk, and it's good enough for the motherboard I would normally be using, it has become clear to me that down the road, as I'll eventually have to replace this one at some point, XP-first will no longer be an option. So I'd like to have a full-install version of 7 available.
    I'll check out the link you provided - (I get the impression that it's to explain how to use the upgrade disk to do a full install).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berton View Post
    I've also quite a few reinstalls on Dell [even own a few myself] and the Win7 and earlier COA stickers with the Product Key usually had OEAct or OEMAct printed on them, seldom had to do a separate Activation of those computers. It usually did not make a difference as to the actual Dell-branded disc I used as long as the version was the same as the sticker and model name such as Dimension or Optiplex. I found that if the sticker mentioned SP1 the disc also had to show SP1.
    Yes - my co-workers and I ended up with quite a few extra Windows disks over the years, of various versions and SP levels - and with Dell, at least, you need to use the disk for which the computer was originally designed. I found out after I replaced the hdd on a friend's Dell Vista desktop and installed a different version of Vista - after a few days he started getting warnings that he had an illegal version of Windows installed. So just having a Dell OS on a Dell computer wasn't enough, we discovered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmoore View Post
    ...The upgrade I have (didn't think it would matter, but apparently it does) was purchased when my daughter went away to college from her school's bookstore...
    Then the Win7 licence you have, which is tied to the product key is almost certainly "academic" ("Enterprise Agreement").

    You would need to enter a Win7 Pro product key either OEM or Retail that came from a non-Enterprise source (such as from a COA sticker on a desktop or laptop PC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmoore View Post
    with Dell, at least, you need to use the disk for which the computer was originally designed.
    That is absolutely, unequivocably, not true.

    A Dell-branded Reinstallation disc for XP/Vista/7 is essentially identical to a Microsoft-branded retail DVD. It does not install any crapware or custom Dell "tweaks", other than perhaps a web shortcut to Dell Help and Support. (There may be optional Applications discs and a Drivers and Utilities disc, but that's beside the point. I'm talking about just the OS Reinstallation disc here.)

    Being "identical to a retail DVD" means the disc also does not include any Dell drivers. Any necessary Dell drivers must be installed separately, regardless of whether you are installing from a retail disc or from a Dell disc.

    Dell's Reinstallation discs are not tied to one machine or even one model line. In fact, that is quite contrary to the practice of most large OEMs, many of whom embedded drivers in the reinstallation discs and thus their discs were necessarily tied to the models for which those drivers were applicable.

    The only real difference between a Dell disc and a Microsoft retail disc is the Dell disc is altered to activate via a SLIC/SLP BIOS. The product key is embedded in the Dell Reinstallation disc, and if that disc is installed on a computer with a genuine Dell BIOS of the requisite SLP version, it will be self-activated without prompting you to enter a key and without contacting Microsoft for activation.

    When installing from a Dell XP/Vista/7 Reinstallation disc, all that is required is a compatible SLIC/SLP BIOS to self-activate. Installing Vista from a Dell DVD requires a SLIC 2.0 BIOS, while installing Win7 from a Dell DVD requires a SLIC 2.1 BIOS. (In contrast, a Dell Win8 installation disc requires a SLIC 3.0 BIOS with a product key also embedded in the BIOS.)

    As for product keys, note the product key on the COA sticker is always different from the key used by the Dell Reinstallation disc. The keys on the stickers are always unique, while the keys embedded in the disc are not--in fact, practically every Dell shipped, within a given Windows version and edition, will have the same key or keys (a few editions had a couple different keys). The disc's key is what you will discover if you use something like Magic Jelly Bean.

    The unique COA sticker is what gives you the legal right to use that particular OS and edition, irrespective of an installation with the OEM key or possession of a DVD.

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