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    Downgrading to 98

    I have two machines, one with NT 4.0 (ugh) and one with ME (bigger ugh). I plan to downgrade to Win 98 SE. Can anyone point me to "helpful hints" or "stuff to watch out for" or a similar resource?

    If possible, respond to this board and to wstephen@erols.com

    Thanks in advance.

    Steve

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    Re: Downgrading to 98

    Hello Steve,

    In my opinion it's an upgrade to both machines. ME is one of the worst pieces of code to come out of Redmond in a long time. NT 4 is just too long in the tooth.

    For both "upgrades" I would say to back up your documents and any other data you need/want, and then format clean. You won't be able to set up a ME system with 98, setup will be disabled. And you can't migrate any NT based OS to a 9x system.

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    Re: Downgrading to 98

    Mark,

    Thanks for the speedy reply ... you confirmed my hypothesis that 98SE was the last good (that being a relative term) OS that MS produced.

    I take your comment to be a warning to make sure that everything I care about is backed up ... but that implies not just data and documents but making sure that all the apps, drivers, etc., I have loaded are safely tucked away somewhere--I assume by format clean you mean (dread) reformat the drive. All 75 gigs. Is there a way around that?

    Not quite sure I follow your comment that "You won't be able to set up a ME system with 98, setup will be disabled. And you can't migrate any NT based OS to a 9x system"

    I know NT to 95 was a pain in the rear for me once, but I survived without reformatting. Sure, I have that weird boot glitch ... I have to SELECT 95 every boot, but besides that I got rid of NT.

    What did "won't be able to set up an ME system" mean? Why would I care about that if 98 does what I need?

    I am assuming that 90 SE will see USB ports, my hardware, etc.

    Steve

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    Re: Downgrading to 98

    Last good 9x OS, that is. I'm a fan of Win2000 personally, and XP as well (although not as much as 2000).

    Your drivers for NT and ME will most likely be worthless in 98. NT especially. The 98 CD should have a great many of them but they will most certainly be outdated by now, so it would be wise to find the current 98 drivers on the 'net and download them for use when installing.

    <hr>You won't be able to set up a ME system with 98, setup will be disabled. And you can't migrate any NT based OS to a 9x system<hr>
    Now, let me clarify my confusing statement! What I meant was that you will not be able to run setup from within Windows NT 4 or Windows ME. ME is the newer 9x operating system, so when the CD is inserted while it is running, setup is disabled.

    You can boot to DOS and run it there without a problem. In fact, if you do it that way, and install it into a new directory, you should be fine, as it will get rid of the NT boot loader as part of the setup process. If it doesn't get rid of it there are ways to get rid of it so that you don't need to make a selection every time the system starts - but let's not cross that bridge until we need to hey? So yes, you can get away without reformatting - but I prefer the clean hard drive to start with, just for peace of mind.

    Lastly, 98 does include USB support, so again it should be fine with your hardware. If any OS was hardware friendly it's Windows 98. If you're concerned about any peripheral support, check with the manufacturer, and hope over to the <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.microsoft.com/hcl>Microsoft Hardware Compatibility List</A> to see what's been tested and whether it works or not.
    -Mark

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    Re: UPgrading to 98

    Mark,

    I've started my driver hunt ... more ugh ...

    You mention booting to dos to do the install ... I have a Win98 Boot Disk (3.5) that win I boot on it, it asks me if I want to load from the CD ... would that do to take care of the NT boot thingie?

    Steve

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    Re: UPgrading to 98

    Yes, that disk should do the job nicely. The setup process for Windows 98 will overwrite the boot sector on your hard drive, replacing the NT boot loader. This is why dual boot systems are easier to set up if you install 9x first, and NT (2000, XP) afterwards.
    -Mark

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    Re: UPgrading to 98

    I spoke too soon. On my ME system, it will boot to the floppy. On my NT system it won't. How can I get a DOS boot?

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    Re: UPgrading to 98

    Sounds like your NT system is set to not check the floppy in the boot sequence. You'll need to go into the BIOS and make sure that the boot sequence A,C,SCSI (or something like that). Since each BIOS is different I can't give you step-by-step.
    -Mark

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    Re: UPgrading to 98

    Well, Mark, you've been a jewel so far ... you've confirmed all my fears ... I'll post here so all can see the trials and tribulations of "downgrading" upwardly. I don't expect it to be painless, particularly with my network stuff.

    Steve

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