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    Recommend a PIM?

    Hello everyone,

    During the past 8 hours, I've spent time entering, updating, and retrieving information from my Outlook "Tasks" and "Calendar", wondered about the wisdom of entering a "Recurring Event" in Outlook (okay, it's a daily personal meditation), checked my Word "Todo" list, and tried to find information in my primitive Excel "phone book". While I was thinking there must be a better way, the word "PIM" finally registered itself in my soon-to-be middle-aged brain. So off I went to the web to search - and found about 7,000 different products. I searched through the "Software Finds and Wants" category and found Loren's post, but I'd like to get a really full-featured product.

    Can anyone recommend a PIM (or perhaps a similar type product), that they use and feel good about?

    Thanks for your time,

    Tim

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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    ABSOLUTELY don't want to sound arch - or like a smartelec - but I'm more than a little confused.

    You're currently using Outlook, but are looking for a full PIM? (huh?)

    I'm going to make the (unfounded) assumption that you haven't dug into Outlook very far. It really is capable of a great deal more than you'd think. I'm a Linux hack (since 1993) ... I _love_ Linux so much my wife worries ... but I still have a Win98 computer _specifically_ because of Outlook.

    And I'm still using '97/'98 (they won't upgrade at work). If you've subscribed to Woody's Office Watch for any length of time, you've seen numerous versions of "For those of you still using Outlook '98 (Dear God, I hope not.)" from Woody. Outlook '98 DOES <insert explicative here>, but I still have my whole life entered into it & sync'ed up to my PDA.

    My suggestion (FWIW) is to go to your local Barnes & Noble - or Amazon - and peek at the Table of Contents of one of Woody's "Special Edition: Using Office..." and note all the capabilities that _he_ mentions for Outlook. They go back to the Index and see what subheadings are under the "Outlook" heading. That's probably the quickest way to get a _rough_ idea of what Outlook can do.

    Want more? Subscribe - if you haven't already - to Woody's Office Watche & Woody's Office for Mere Mortals. I can't remember in which one, but he will soon be doing a "How the Reader's use Office" bit. You're part of a vast community here, with a huge collective pool of creativity.

    Finally, if you program even a little, you can _bend_ Outlook 2000/XP to your will in any ways you can imagine.

    Okay...taking a breath...

    Like I said before; this is said with no anger. I sincerely hope that you take a peek at Outlook and see what it can do for you: especially if you already use it for some things.

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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    Thanks for your reply. And no offense taken. I do tend to get ahead of myself - perhaps should take more care with my message review before I commit to hitting "Send". Re-reading my message, I can see where describing using Outlook and then asking about a "full-featured PIM" looks, well, a little goofy.

    I'm no pro by any means, but I get pretty good use from my Outlook (2000). Being admittedly absent-minded, I prepare appointment alarms like crazy. What started me down this track is that I wanted to prepare daily or weekly messages that are strictly personal and, although it probably wouldn't do any harm, I just didn't want them backed-up on the company server. I have been reading a book on men's meditations, for example, and I thought it would be neat to enter some of my favorites to pop-up occasionally. As far as using "Contacts" for my phonebook and "Tasks" for my todo list, that's the obvious thing, but again I'd like a place for information that will remain private.

    Probably much ado about not much.

    Tim

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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    My mistake: Lotus Agenda is apparently now called Lotus Organizer

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/organizer>http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/organizer</A>
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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    In addition to what malkor said, don't underestimate the power of Outlook Contacts, check out all the options, add attachments if you need. And perhaps this will express your concern:

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/02/28/000228oplewis.xml>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/0...0228oplewis.xml</A>

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.act.com/>http://www.act.com/</A> Act! contact management software is still around, I think it's oriented more to Salespeople.

    A search on Google for PIM, Contact Manager and Outlining Software fetches tons of possibilities, here are just a few:

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.taskminder.com/>http://www.taskminder.com/</A>

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.thinkingsoft.com/>http://www.thinkingsoft.com/</A>

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.projectkickstart.com/html/infosele.htm>http://www.projectkickstart.com/html/infosele.htm</A> timed out on me when I was looking for it

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.multisource.com/>http://www.multisource.com/</A>

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.msdsoft.com/agenda/eng/>http://www.msdsoft.com/agenda/eng/</A> (is this the former Lotus Agenda?)

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_pim.htm>http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_pim.htm</A> on-line PIM

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.pc-shareware.com/itemtree.htm>http://www.pc-shareware.com/itemtree.htm</A> (might try this myself)

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.wjjsoft.com/>http://www.wjjsoft.com/</A>

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.timematters.com/sales/tmw4/features/clicon.htm>http://www.timematters.com/sales/tmw...res/clicon.htm</A> more for the self employed professional who needs to bill time
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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.isbister.com/chaos32.html>Time & Chaos </A> is the best PIM there is!

    I used it all the time until I had to change over to Outlook because I needed to use shared folders over the Internet.

    I have been thinking about going back to it for my personal use.

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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    Does T&C have an outliner? I poked around the website but didn't see it mentioned. That is the only additional feature I really wish Outlook had, as part of OL Notes, and while I could fire up Word, the kind of stuff I wanna outline fits into PIM realm. Hmm, I should look in the OL forum to see if anyone has/knows of an add-in.
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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    **Edited by KT to include hyperlink**
    Time & Chaos IS truly the best PIM ever made - and, IMHO, that includes Outlook. Isbister even came out recently with their owh e-mail program, and they offer add-ons that let you interface with Palm devices, export to and import from Outlook, - you really ought to go to their website (<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.isbister.com>http://www.isbister.com</A>) to check it all out. And T&C is shareware - you don't have to pay to try it out at full strength. I've used it ever since Windows 3.1, and it has always been reliable. They even offer small free uploads with sports schedules, holidays, moon cycles - you get the picture.

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    Re: Recommend a PIM?

    I've been using Commence in its various incarnations for the past 10 years...checkout www.commence.com for details. It has problems--don't they all--but is programmable and quasi-relational out of the box. Learning curve is a bit steep, but I would have a hard time using anything else. There is also are very active independant newsgroups at mail.freedomcomputing.com that give unvarnished opinions and support.

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