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    Backing Up Data in Win XP

    Was wondering if someone could recommend a good backup program for Windows XP Professional. I only want to backup my data.

    I've tried BackUpMyPC by Stomp (Veritas), but its kinda difficult to understand how to do an incremental or differential backup (i.e. when I put the first backup disk from my original backup job in the cd-writer, it tells me that the disk is full and that I need to erase it or use another disk.)

    Isn't the whole idea of a differential or incremental backup so that you can overwrite those files that have changed and add those files that weren't there when you did the first backup? Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks!<img src=/S/flags/California.gif border=0 alt=California width=30 height=18> <img src=/S/brickwall.gif border=0 alt=brickwall width=25 height=15> <img src=/S/brickwall.gif border=0 alt=brickwall width=25 height=15>

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    I don't know about BackUpMyPC, but if a backup program needed to overwrite old backups in order to do incremental/differential backups I would dream of using it.

    Have you tried putting in a new disk and doing your incremental/differential backup onto it?

    An incremental/differential backup normally implies that those files that have changed are backed up (as opposed to a full backup which backs up everything regardless). It doesn't imply that the previous backup gets stomped on (how would you restore from that previous backup in that case?)

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    You bring up an interesting point, Douglass. In fact, I'm very confused now.
    I guess I'm talking about an archived backup, which would write over data that has changed and write new data that has been added since the last backup. Please help me out here.

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    Hi Dave...
    I've found that the XP backup program is quite ample for my backup needs. (Accessories/Tools/Backup) It offer various options to including the entire hard drive, plus the option of a startup/recovery floppy disk for a complete system failure. I've tested it in various modes and find it works best if all other drives are disabled for the backup and it is backed up to a removable empty drive (or other media storage) capable of handling the size of the backup. (Typically 5Gig+ mimimum for the complete system backup) The advanced options provide selection of incremental backup and selected folders as well. In between these major backups I just manualy copy the data, documents, etc. folders to a second hard drive as "bckup 2","bckup 3". etc. And then I make backups of my backups. :-)
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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    I STILL use an old copy of Cheyenne Backup that must be at least six or seven years old to do nightly data file backup to another computer on my small home LAN. Works flawlessly. Of course you could just write yourself a small "DOS" batch file and schedule it with the Windows scheduler to run every nite.

    As far as "full" backups are concerned, I wouldn't be without PowerQuest's Drive Image. Doesn't take that long either. I back up all hard drives to another machine on my LAN once a week.

    Al

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    Hi Al...

    4 quick questions:

    1) Can you tell me a little bit more about the Cheyenne Backup program?
    2) Do you backup to tape or to a cd? I would like to backup to a cd.
    3) Also, what commands would I put in the batch file if I want to backup only the data on my computer?
    4) Lastly, re: PowerQuest's Drive Image. How does that work? Does it take up a lot of space?

    Please advise. Thanks...d

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    Cheyenne Backup is (or was?) a product of Computer Associates. I don't know if it's still even on the market, 'cause the version I have is called Cheyenne Backup for Windows 95, Version 2.0. Other than one upgrade patch over the years, I don't think it's around anymore, but you might look here for starters. The only reason I mentioned it is that it is one of many "file by file" programs around. If you're looking to backup DAILY DATA files, rather than a whole hard drive, that's what you need. You ought to do a search on the web or go to one or two of your fave shareware places, like TUCOWS or whatever and look for file-level backup programs.

    As for doing it with DOS batch files, I think this forum is a little bit tight for me to "teach" you about batch command's language. There are also places you can go to beef up on that topic. However, what it boils down to is using the COPY or XCOPY commands to explicitly copy files from one place to another. In effect, the aforementioned Cheyenne is doing just that. I have an "old" Pentium Pro computer upstairs that I've kept alive only as a backup repository. It's got four big hard drives in it. Cheyenne is installed on it and its nightly scripts "pull" copies of files from my other two machines to the Pentium Pro. I absolutely don't make ANY backups to CD, but I may be in the minority there. Check out Fred Langa's newsletter for his opinion.

    Drive Image does just that - it makes a single-file image of an entire hard drive (or partition) and writes that file to ANOTHER physical hard drive. For me, the only "hard" part of using Drive Image was learning how to make the "destination" hard drive be on another machine on my LAN. A few years ago I finally figured out how to do that WITHOUT PowerQuest's help. Drive Image is a DOS program, even if you run it from within Windows. It reboots your machine into DOS, so I just use it directly from a DOS bootable floppy with network awareness.

    I don't know if your question about space was about Drive Image itself or the "images" it creates. Drive Image's program files fit on one floppy. The program is capable of 40% or 50% compression but I don't use it - big hard drives are pretty "cheap!" The destination file, uncompressed, will be approximately as large as the total data on the drive you're backing up. You ought to go to PowerQuest and do a little reading there.

    Good luck in your hunt!

    Al

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    One thing I forgot when I suggested TUCOWS was an "old" Winmag.Com "friend!" Karen Kenworthy is a writer from the former Winmag and she's still in the "utility software" business on her own. I've used a number of her programs over the years and they're FREE! She keeps things up to date and listens to her users. She recently created a file-by-file backup program called simply the REPLICATOR. I haven't tried it yet but here's a link to her web site.

    Al

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    Re: Backing Up Data in Win XP

    Al, thanks very much for your input and suggestions, and LINKS! You're Awesome!

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