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    Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    I am currently trying to network two Win98 computers (one Win98 the other Win98SE), and it would appear that I can either have the home network or my connection to the 'net via my cable connection... but not both! Various technicians have told me this (but not Microsoft), and from experience it certainly seems to be true, for, as soon as I get the network up, then the connection to the outside network goes down.

    As I say I'm running Win98SE (host) and Win 98 (client), networking via twisted pairs cable and fast ethernet 10/100mps NIC cards. I want to share the internet connection via ICS available on Win98SE.

    Maybe I should upgrade, but I rather like Win98 and Win99!

    Any ideas? Has anyone any suggestions that may achieve this objective?

    Many thanks, any help would be appreciated
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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    John, first let me say that networking is not for the faint of heart. It can be easy if you purchase the right parts, but too many times people try to make connections without the right hardware. And to answer your question, yes it most certainly can be done.

    Can you tell us how you have things set up now? Do you have an external cable modem? How does it connect to your computer? Do you have a hub? It it also a router, DHCP server, firewall, switch? Perhaps most important, do you have a paper from the ISP telling you the IP address of the cable router and the clients? Do you have a NIC in each computer?

    Remember, TCP/IP and Ethernet are robust and flexible. You can make this work, but there are a lot of details that have to be just right. Start by telling us what you have. Answer all of my questions and we can start right away. First we'll get the physical layer established (routers, switch, cables) then we'll work on the connection (data-link).

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    I just did this. You should buy a ROUTER! A marvelous invention! To make connections properly is pretty simple: Connect both PC's IN to it using your ethernet cables from each PC's NIC, then go OUT of the router to your DSL or cable line. You can also use the router to be a true print server for both PC's to print to the same connected printer. I bought a D-Link brand (the model is DL-704. It has 4 in-ports, 1 WAN port out (for DSL or cable, and the standard D-25 printer connection port like on the back of your PC's parallel connection. It cost around $100 +/- $25 (depending on where you buy it. TigerDirect had it on sale (AFTER I bought mine) about a month ago for around $70. The instructions with the D-Link are EXCELLENT!!! BTW, your ISP does NOT object to you only paying for ONE service - the router (which is superior to a hub or a switch) manages YOUR PC's so you both can be connected at the same time (it really is NOT witchcraft!!!). Good luck!!!

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Hi Larry

    Thanks for your encouragement, and forgive my delay in responding, I will certainly investigate going the router route, having already discovered (from bitter experience) that the twisted pair and NIC route is "not compatible"

    Let me do an inventory of what I have in the way of hardware and I'll respond again!

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Hi Dean

    See my reply to Larry Hamilton, which appears below! Apologies to you also for my delay in replying, we Aussies have to earn a living!

    What I have been trying to achieve is network two Win98 computers with a twisted pair cable and 10/100 mps NICs in each machine (that was my first mistake). The connection to the 'net is via a third NIC on the host. It would appear that the Internet Sharing facility in Win98SE is not suitable for cable connections (that was my second mistake).

    It would appear that the router route is the way to go, do you agree? If so what would you recommend I read to get the full picture (or may be you could provide this?)

    Best wishes

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Larry is describing an all in one device. Very handy indeed. What he told you to do is accurate. You could connect two pc's together with a crossover cable, but then you have no way to connect a third device (cable).

    You need to find out how many IP addresses your ISP gave you. If you only have one IP address, and two computers you'll have to get into NAT, network address translation. A bit more complex, but certainly do-able.

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Dean and John C.

    Thank you for your comments. As I mentioned, I did this for our Peer-To-Peer Network, which does NOT have nor use any Host PC. Before getting the Router, we all connected, via Ethernet Cable (NOT crossed) to an Intel 8-Port Hub, then our DSL modem was connected also to this hub. All worked just fine for 2-3 years (we were using Qwest DSL Service and the DSL modem provided was a Cisco 678, which I'm told is a router of sorts). We could all connect live into the Internet at the same time. The problems occurred when Qwest decided to dump its customers onto MSN DSL. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, STAY TOTALLY AWAY FROM MSN!!! Anyway, because we knew our single ISP account could and did function with at least 6 PC's at one time, the practicality of doing it again existed. So, we talked with many "experts" and concluded the Router approach I previously told you about was the way to go.

    So, to recap, we use standard (good quality) Ethernet cables from each PC's NIC and these cables are connected to the ports on the D-Link 704 Router. The DSL Modem provided by our current ISP is connected to the "WAN" port on the 704. The DSL modem is subsequently connected to the DSL Line/Phone line and out to the ISP. I ASSUME (and, of course, could be wrong) THAT THE CABLE MODEM IS CONNECTED THE SAME WAY. Contact D-Link Support to validate this. THIS WORKS PERFECTLY.

    You do not need any software more than what is included within MS Windows 98SE. You install the "TCP/IP" Protocol (the protocol you use to connect to the Internet and wide-area networks), the "NetBEUI" Protocol (which allows you to connect to the other PC's in your Peer-To-Peer Network), and "Client for Microsoft Networks" (which "... enables you to connect to other Microsoft Windows computers and servers and use the files and printers shared on them."). ALL OF THESE PROTOCALS AND CLIENTS ARE 'ADDED' (WHEN YOU OPEN CONTROL PANEL, THEN NETWORK, THEN ON THE CONFIGURATION TAB). The configuration of each of these is very simple to do, but you must read the VERY clear and effective instructions that come with the D-Link 704 Router -- if I can follow them and make the Peer-To-Peer Network work as if it was a full-fledged hosted network, YOU can!

    BTW, do NOT use the CAT-5 cable your ISP provides you with your Modem "kit" -- to connect the cable modem to the router, which I believe is a crossed cable. Use the same type of cable as you use when connecting your PC's NIC cards to the router. This is the only "confusing" aspect of this whole matter (at least it was to me).

    Finally, the ISP we use in one of the top in the country and one of the biggest too. I even talked with their Tech Support and it was one of them who told me, "... go the router way because the router manages all of your P-T-P PC's as if only one PC is connecting to us and we cannot know nor do we find it to be wrong -- and besides, the router IS the best Firewall for your PTP and it works perfectly (even if you use wireless methods for your PTP!)!!!"

    Hope this helps YOU and anyone else thinking about doing it. Not only is it cheaper, it allows you to buy only one high quality printer for all PC's on the PTP (instead of several printers). I did not use the Printer Sharing feature of this router because I just have our color printer connected directly to one of the PC's (normally) and then it is Shared for any PC to use through that PC connection to the printer -- TRUE Printer Sharing at its best. Again, good luck. Ask any questions and I'll try to provide answers that help you.

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    John, when considering a router I have a cost effective soution that may be of interest. If you can lay your hands on an old 486 or P100 or similar, it can be setup as a gateway/router/firewall, using a free linux based package called IPCop. This will provide the sharing and give you security. Don't be put off by the linux base, as it is a breeze to setup and is run from one of the other machines via a browser. This machine is not used for anything other than IPCop so don't use any machine thats too flash or that you want to install anything else on. The configuration is then Internet-->IPCop-->machine1-->machine2.

    Good luck

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Hi Mike

    Thanks for the reply - I have an old 386 here somewhere, an old Amtrad (remember them?) notebook, any use?

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    John, it may work, but you would need 2 network cards in it. If you have that capability then it may well work. here is the minimum:
    "Base system

    IPCop requires at least the following configuration to run:

    CPU: 386
    RAM: 8MB
    Harddisk: 100MB

    Additionally, at least one NIC (Network Interface Card) is required for connecting to the local network and you need an interface for connecting to the external network, for example an analogue modem or an isdn modem."
    If you can meet that criteria then you are away. The download is only about 20 Mb.

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Hi Mike,

    Back to the drawing boards on those specs - the hard-disk is only 40MB. Never mind..

    In the meantime many thanks for your advice, I'll keep you all posted!

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Ok heres another thought. I got an e-mail the other day with an offer of a free suite from the people that make 602PC Suite which is quite a good Office replacement. Try 602Pro Lan Suite. It's free for up to 5 users. It has sharing antivirus etc...

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Hi Mike

    Have had a look at the webpage,it looks good, I'll give it a go - but work has to come first! I'll report back!

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Many cable ISPs give you only one IP address, but with a router that's not an issue. Most routers provide NAT by default - nothing to set up on your end. Basically, the router will take on the IP address provided by the ISP, and then provide internal addresses (i.e. 192.168.1.101, 192.168.1.102...) to each PC attached to the router and is set to DHCP. This is how the router provides a form of hardware firewall, in essence cloaking the PCs behind the router, and presenting only itself to the outside world.

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    Re: Networking with Win98/98SE & cable modem

    Larry

    Thanks very much for the full description. I'll spend a little time digesting it all.

    Thanks again

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