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    Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    I am planning to upgrade my computer from Win ME to XP - are there any pitfalls I should be wary of?

    I believe that Windows XP uses NTFS rather than FAT 32 which is what ME uses. Will my hard disk have to reformatted before I install the XP upgrade or does it convert my file system? (How would I change my file system anyway?)

    Thanks for your help

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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    #1 thing to look out for....personalized settings not always being correct or even there at all. All in all it's pretty smooth, but if you could get away with a clean installation you'll probably be happier in the long run..

    File systems: you will be asked by XP's setup program if you want to convert the drive or leave it alone. That's a personal judgement that always incites a riot. If you convert it's a one way street unless you buy Partition Magic. For personal reasons, I don't like to upgrade to NTFS unless the disk is empty to begin with.
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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    So if I back all my documents etc and then re-install everything from scratch on a NTFS how will it know I am eligible for an upgrade? (assuming XP setup will check it)

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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    First things, XP is NOT NTFS by default, you must tell setup that you want to use it. I have not used NTFS as I dual boot and would like to see this (XP) partition as well.

    If you do a clean install using the XP upgrade CD, you will need to remove your XP CD and place your Me Cd in the player when setup can not find a copy of Windows. Once found, then swap the CD's, and you SHOULD be on your merry way to the world of XP.

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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    <hr>First things, XP is NOT NTFS by default, you must tell setup that you want to use it. I have not used NTFS as I dual boot and would like to see this (XP) partition as well.<hr>
    That is interesting, it looks like I need to know more about the history of XP, I assumed, being based on NT architecture for resource handling etc, XP would have NTFS by default, obviously that is not the case. I am planning to get XP Pro because that is the only version Visual Studio.NET will run on.

    In spite of the risk of starting a riot - what is the main benefit of FAT32 vs NTFS - I would like to learn something (not start a fight <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>)

    Thanks for your help

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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>Don't want to start a riot, eh? I'm all for learning but there are rabid fans of both camps. This is one topic that always elicits debate, it's rather like saying that Apple sucks at the Macworld festival. <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>

    In a clean install, NTFS is suggested but not force fed. In home situations I personally lean towards FAT32 because I have no need for the extra features that NTFS enables - not because it's a better file system.

    Check out this recent thread regarding the differences. If you search the lounge using the terms FAT32 NTFS, you'll see a ton of discussions that go into detail (and hopefully the battle of the baddest file system can stay there for once <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>). Here's another similar thread to get you started.

    In a nutshell, the pros and cons of each file system:

    FAT32
    Pros:
    Lightweight (low overhead). Supports large hard drives and single partitions up to 32GB. Compatible across multiple versions of Windows. Very efficient for smaller partitions.

    Cons:
    Inherently insecure. Does not support fault tolerance. Extremely large partitions are not supported and cannot be formatted in FAT32.

    NTFS
    Pro:
    Very secure. Native to Windows NT/2K/XP. Supports on-the-fly compression to save disk space. Better recovery in the event of power failure/system crash. Smaller cluster sizes mean less wasted disk space. Small files can be stored in the MFT for quick access. Fault tolerant.

    Cons:
    Can be a little too secure. You can lock yourself out of it if you're not careful. A smidge slower in some instances than FAT32. Cannot boot into a working command line environment to perform maintenance or repairs without a third party utility ($$$). Requires a fair amount of overhead to use (this is why you can't format a floppy with NTFS).
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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    Mark,
    Well said, I just wanted to make sure that people learn that XP does not require the use of NTFS. I have seen this stated many times and it is wrong. Even NT 3.5 and 4.0 could be installed using FAT32.

    Which is better
    PC or MAC
    MS Word or WordPerfect
    123 or Excel
    IE or Netscape
    AOL or MSN

    and on and on................

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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    <hr>AOL or MSN<hr>
    Ugh, are those my choices? {{shudder}} <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/flee.gif border=0 alt=flee width=25 height=25>

    To my knowledge though, since NT 3.5 and 4 did not offer native support for FAT32 you could not use it with either of those incarnations of Windows. There was a third party tool that allowed NT 4 to read and write FAT32 partitions from SysInternals but I haven't kept up on the NT side as much - more like avoiding it if possible. Was FAT32 support offered in the latest service pack (6a)?

    Agreed that it could be clearer that XP does not require NTFS - in fact, I had a bad experience with XP's version of NTFS, which modifies the NT4 version of that file system and makes it impossible to use most disk utilities.
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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    There are some other issues to be aware of. XP support of legacy hardware is spotty at best, and non-existant in other cases. I attempted to do a clean install on a 3 year old 98 PC, and it refused to recognize most of the hardware, including the video, sound and LAN cards. I finally bailed and used ME. In addition, be sure to get XP Pro if you are running on an NT-style domain. The home edition is purported not to be able to login on a domain. And then there's my horror story on trying to move files from a Win98 PC to a new XP Home - see my recent thread for details. Hopefully all will go well for you.
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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    I downloaded and ran the MS Windows XP upgrade advisor. Do you think that it is a reliable source of what will and won't work?

    It says the following don't support Win XP (what does it mean by that?)
    Caere Scan Manager 5.1 (in Control Panel)
    Clock (in Control Panel) - will be upgraded in XP anyway
    Java Plug-in 1.3.0_01 (in Control Panel)
    Java Plug-in 1.4.0 (in Control Panel)
    MS DTC (in Control Panel) - what is this?
    Wintop (on the Start menu) - I assume something like this comes in XP anyway

    May not work
    AVG Control Center (a startup program) - apparently it is now XP compatible
    TClockEx (a startup program)

    Fortunately, I am getting XP Pro and my PC is only from Dec 2000. How do I know whether it will recognise my video, sound & lan cards?

    Thanks for your input

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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    The Java issue will plague you until you download the Plug-In - as I understand it doesn't ship on the CD and Microsoft has taken a good deal of heat for that. The rest of the software are things you probably don't care about.

    Hardware is another story - check out this KB article and the web sites it references. Get a list of the exact hardware you have and check that - if they don't match then go to the manufacturer's web site and see if they show drivers designed for XP. If they don't, you are very likely to experience problems. Hope this helps.
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    Re: Upgrading from Win ME (ME to XP)

    The product advisor is fairly accurate. "Not Compatible" - some of the items it lists will work anyway, but you may have "unexpected" problems with them. Specifically, I know that TClockEx will work, but it's ugly on top of the Luna interface. AVG will work if you get the latest version - all the same, I'd uninstall any virus scanners, disk utilities, firewalls - anything that operates at a low level. Bottom line - the app might work, or it might not, and Miocrosoft is warning you up front that you are on your own with the installed version that it checked. Reading between the lines it also means "don't be surprised if the thing blows up after you upgrade."

    MS DTC is the Distributed Transaction Coordinator that is a part of Visual Studio and many other server related apps. Don't sweat this as you'll get a modern version of it (and I don't think it's called DTC anymore).

    Wintop - you have a full blown task manager in XP, one that I feel puts WinTop on the back burner for most purposes.

    The Java stuff can be downloaded from the Microsoft website after the upgrade.

    Lastly, if you're worried about your hardware, visit the Microsoft Hardware Compatibility website and then traipse over to the manufacturer's websites as well to make sure they have XP compatible drivers. I got burned by a promise from a vendor - "Sure, we plan on supporting that" - and to date they haven't updated the drivers. Sheesh.
    -Mark

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