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    Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    A very useful feature of FrontPage 98 is the ability to download an entire Web site. But then ir renames all the index.htm or index.html files to Default.htm and changes all the links to them. AAARGH! This "feature" makes the files incompatible for uploading back to the site online, and is especially maddening because the loss of the distinction between the htm and html extensions means that there is no way to automate a restoration of the original filenames. The changing of links it also takes a lot of time if the site is large.

    In my own site creation, I have got around this insanity, er feature, by creating a dummy Default.htm file in the root directory and linking my index.htm file to it. But I am not sure yet whether this trick works when downloading a site.

    Just what is the added functionality that comes from having the file names Default.htm? Doesn't this mean that the file will not be recognized by some browsers?

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    (From memory) if your website is www.website.com and you have a link to it with no specific starting page, your browser will first look for www.website.com/default.htm and then www.website.com/index.htm.

    It sounds like FP98 is simply moving the 'second default' to 'first default' - if that makes sense. If your starting page is already index.htm, you can force viewers to see default.htm first if need be.

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    Sorry, ILeif's answer explains what FrontPage does and how browsers respond to it, but I still don't want FrontPage to do that!. I am downloading a site so I can browse it offline, edit a few of the files and then return them to the server. FrontPage won't leave the files alone when I download them. Instead, it renames the index. htm(l) files to Default.htm and changes links to them accordingly everywhere in the site. Now, there are some links including those outside the site which are to the specific file index.htm(l). So, I could be sure to make the site work internally if I upload EVERYTHING instead of the few files I've edited. But still, links outside the site may not work. The file renaming also takes a lot of time. I just want FrontPage to leave the files the !$@#%@#$% alone when it downloads the site. Is there a way around this intrusive behavior of FrontPage?

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    Do you have a Personal Web Server installed on the machine you are downloading to?

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    If you have a web server on your system - FrontPage, looks to it for what the default document name should be. Most web servers will allow you to configure multiple default document names (and preferred extensions htm or html).
    Common default document names include: index, default, home and welcome - but really you could use anything.
    That being said it will really depend on the web server - and I know some are not as flexible as others.
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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    I've read the suggestion that you open the web-based web in FP and publish it back to your local machine as a way to get the best fidelity. I've never tried this and don't know if you need to be running a web server (e.g., PWS) with FrontPage Server Extensions for this to work, but it seems likely that you would.

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    I had the PWS running (installed when I reinstalled FrontPage) but then I realized that it might be causing my other problem -- long delays before saving pages in FrontPage Editor. I found the local Web page accessible through front page to configure the PWS and configured it not to start when the computer boots. Now it no longer appears in the system tray and I couldn't find it in a cursory search in FrontPage either.

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    Can I configure the FrontPage Personal Web Server to select the default file name? Can I figure it to leave file names alone when downloading? Can I substitute a different Web server? (I seem to remember that there is a better one available, even as a Windows 98 component...)

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    Check these pages at Sitecrafters.

    Click on the "Web Server" link then follow the link to "How do I change the Default.htm page name to another name?"

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    I'd use the Microsoft Personal Webserver - it will run on Win 98, you should have a copy of it on your Win 98 CD.
    The FrontPage Personal Webserver is not really that useful a tool - I wouldn't waste time struggling with it.
    Just my <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    I tried deleting the FrontPage Web server and found that FrontPage would then no longer load Webs even from my own machine. I have now installed the Web server on the Windows 98 SE CD-ROM (also called Personal Web Server, but the interface is different and *a dialog box indicates that it no longer supports FTP*. I don't know whether this means that it will not allow me to upload pages directly from FrontPage. I had been considering that, but I have been using WS_FTP to upload my pages, though, so probably no problem.

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    Yah I hate that both the FP and the Windows web servers are called "personal web servers". You'd think that MS marketing could have spared 10 minutes to give them different names - since they are different products. It causes tons of confusion.

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    Well, if it's not one thing it's another. Now with the Windows Web server installed, FrontPage informs me that I can't open any webs because I do not have a 32-bit TCP/IP stack and would I like it to help me install one. Since I am connected to the Web, I clearly do have a TCP/IP stack and since I'm running Windows 98, it must be 32-bit.
    I did have some trouble connecting to the Web this weekend, which was resolved when I removed one of the *two* instances of TCP/IP -> Dial-Up Networking in the Network applet in Control panel. It may be that FrontPage could open webs with the two instances, but I couldn't send or receive e-mail or access Web pages. Now it is the opposite.

    I think my problems are representative of what is called "DLL Hell" -- overwriting of DLLs by others with added capabilities, but which mess up some of the preexisting ones. I'm about ready to give up and reinstall everything from scratch. But then I could still end up having problems just as bad as I have now.

    Does anyone have a better idea?

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    Re: Conversion of index.htm to Default.htm (98)

    What a mess! Now a new message: FrontPage is unable to read the configuration of the Microsoft Personal Web Server, and so it can't load a Web. And this even after I shut down Zonalarm.

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