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    Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    I guess I've been "put down" in that I've written two emails to two different "On High" gurus about this and been ignored! Seems to me that we could be on the leading edge of something here in The Lounge by having a forum dedicated to the up and coming Mozilla browser. I think that Woody's Lounge is an excellent and safe place to exchange questions and experiences about this soon-to-be-released browser product and my gut tells me that such a dedicated forum would be well used. Certainly, ALL newsgroups are NOT a safe place for users to go and talk to other users! Oh well, kay sara!

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    What can you tell me about this browser. I have been a very satisfied user of Netscape Communicator, which is called Mozilla internally. Is this "new browser" you are talking about from Netscape, or is it something different. I have been using Communicator 4.79 but have recently started experiencing a major problem (I can't post any messages here in the Lounge using it since my cable system recently went out). I tried upgrading to their new version 6.2.2 which solved that problem, but is a complete disaster in my opinion. It is riddled with bugs and has many things that are only partially implemented or just plane don't work at all. After two weeks of complete frustration, I have gone back to 4.79. I am currently using Internet Explorer to access the Lounge, and Communicator for everything else. I would be really interested if there was going to be a new version that works.
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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    It's too long a story for ME to tell you if you aren't already aware of all the history. Better go here and read some of the sidebar stuff.

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    On second thought, there IS something else I might say on this topic. First, I AM NOT A PROGRAMMER, albeit a very experienced (years) PC user. Secondly, Mozilla certainly doesn't need me to speak in its behalf as I understand from something I saw on their site that 400,000 people downloaded the Release Candidate 1 software. Release Candidate 2 is now available for download, prior to the "official" release of Version 1.0

    I too have been a steady user of Netscape, up through and including 4.79 which has now begun to either fail or operate incorrectly at many web sites. I suppose that's because the coding standards in HTML 4 have introduced new elements that 4.x doesn't deal with.

    I have also "tried" ALL the 6.x versions, coming away very disheartened and unsatisfied.

    Back to Mozilla. If one reads the lists of "bugs" (Ugh, I hate that word!) and fixes they're working on, you probably would be tempted to pass the pre-release product by. I can only say that I've been using RC1 and now RC2 for over three weeks WITHOUT so much as the first crash. EVERY web site that I used to have trouble with now operates (views) correctly. What would you conclude?

    Better go take a look at Mozilla!

    Al

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    Thanks, I'll take a look. I was afraid this was going to happen when AOL bought Netscape. They did the same thing to CompuServe where I use to spend a lot of time.
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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    Legare, I've been using Mozilla to access the Lounge since rejoining. I have also dropped each of the Netscape 6x versions (that I have tried) like a red hot brick. Virtually all my posts have been made with Mozilla <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>. Some of the Lounge mouse-over effects do not work, and I have to use IE to change my email address between office and home; otherwise no problems. I did receive an undertaking some time back from the Wizard (who uses (something like) Mozilla 0.9.2) that he would work on eliminating all remaining Mozilla compatibility issues once Mozilla 1.0 was released.

    Mozilla has the added benefit of "tabbed" browsing - which means you can open many threads/search results whatever using the same browser window (use Ctrl + T). Finally, it comes with a built-in "kill" feature for pop-up/pop-under windows.

    Mozilla is in effect an open-source project that is eventually intended to become completely modular: browser/mail client/address book/html editor/chat client each being totally free-standing - which I understand that Netscape is not. AOL does AFAIK underwrite the costs of the non-volunteer staff - in return for being able to highjack the code into the latest version of "Netscape". Whether that means that the "tap" will get turned off before the "project" is completed, one can only speculate. At the moment, Mozilla runs roughly 6 months ahead of Netscape 6x in development time.

    That said, there's little enough traffic on this board alone - as it is. Were we snowed under with Mozilla posts, then it would make sense to have a separate board. Maybe there are fewer mystifying problems with Mozilla to give rise to posts. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> HTH
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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    "That said, there's little enough traffic on this board alone - as it is."

    Well OK, if you say so. I'm simply looking for a place to try to "gather" some Mozilla users for back-and-forth Q&A stuff. Understandably, the folks at the Mozilla organization are way too busy with hot priorities (i.e. crash reports) to answer questions.

    I'm looking for experienced hands at self-customization using Mozilla's PREFS.JS capabilities. For example, the Personal Toolbar now has Icons AND text descriptions on it that take up a lot of real estate along that bar. I figured there must be a way to tweak that thing yourself so it only displays the text and eliminates the icons.

    If, while in the Mozilla browser, you enter "About:Config" in the URL bar, you will see a list of all the prefs statements and controls but I don't know where to get an explanation of what each one is for.

    Well, maybe some "traffic" will join this thread and.....

    By the way, this Personal Toolbar thing HAS been reported by a number of people in what they call Bugzilla, but it sure isn't a bug, so I don't see the programmers doing anything about it.

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    I hear what you're saying. If there is a Board on the Lounge for Mozilla, this must be it. If you look back over the last while, active threads here have been either one a week or one a month.

    Speaking for myself, I did get involved with working through some of the customisations a fair while back, but my time has taken me elsewhere since. (This is likely to remain the case.) What I can tell you, that may give you a start, is the *.jar files that you can find in various parts of the bin subdirectories are in fact *.zip files. Open them up with WinZip (or whatever) and you will see. As you probably know, a large part of the "skin" items are in mark-up language - with which experience with HTML can come in handy.
    As always, back things up before you start tinkering with them. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    HTH
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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    In NS 4.x, prefs.js is what the Edit|Preferences dialog(s) maintained and updated. Does Mozilla not have a similar set of dialogs?

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    Yes. The Mozilla GUI still has the essence of what Netscape looks like, including preference setting. As you would expect, in Mozilla there are some NEW choices you can make (great!) and a few that are no longer available, like the toolbar icons I mentioned earlier.

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    A couple of quick questions before I spend a lot of time researching the site you pointed me to:

    1- Does Mozilla have a mail client, or is it just a browser?

    2- Can it be install alongside Netscape 4.79 without removing or affecting its operation?
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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    Yes to both questions. When you see Mozilla, you'll "see" its Netscape roots (or vice versa!). I still have Netscape 4.79 installed and I open it once in awhile to answer a preferences question for myself. The only complication will be (as is the case with all of 'em that I know of) when you run Mozilla, it will ask if you want it to be your primary mail client. What I did for a few days is answer NO until I was satisfied with setting it up and running it.

    Mozilla, like Netscape, has browser, mail, composer, address book and NEW chatzilla. It will import all your Netscape stuff without destruction. The only prep work you'll have to do is export your Netscape address book in LDIF format.

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    UNKAMUNKA, I guess you were right! From the absence of posts to this thread, I guess the gazillions of Mozilla downloaders are not of the ilk that frequent this Lounge! Oh well, so much for my idea to get an active dialogue going.

    On a somewhat related note, I stumbled on a site recently that doesn't work properly with Mozilla, but DOES perform as expected with IE 6. My wife and I buy medicine from Merck-Medco online and I was trying to order some refills. Their database "system" kept crashing and it turns out to be in which browser I use. Now, as much noise as the Mozilla org has made about it, you just know they're gonna say it's because the web site doesn't adhere to "specifications!"

    I bet it's gonna be a long, drawn out "battle," to get web site coders to make sure their code fits the intentions of the HTML 4 specs.

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    Do you have "128-bit US Domestic" with Moxilla and is it turned on?
    Note the following is from their web site.
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    Our site makes every attempt to support the widest variety of industry-standard browsers. We continually review which browsers are used to access our site and develop our site accordingly. Our recommended browsers are:

    Internet Explorer (IE) 5.0 and Netscape 4.75 (40-bit International or 128-bit US Domestic).
    The following browsers are also supported:
    Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) 4.0 or later (40-bit International or 128-bit US Domestic);


    Netscape Communicator/Navigator 4.04 or later (40-bit International or 128-bit US Domestic);


    AOL (America Online) 3.0 or later, with IE 4.0 or later (40-bit International or 128-bit US Domestic);


    WebTV 2.6 (128-bit). Note that while within our site, WebTV's reduced resolution capability will require more scrolling than other browsers.
    Please keep in mind our site supports a number of other browsers and that the above list is not all-inclusive. If you need to upgrade your browser, please refer to the host site of that specific browser for any recommended updates. If you are at work, please consult your systems administrator before making any changes to your computer.
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    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Mozilla (Mozilla RC2)

    Hi again, Dave!

    WHOSE web site is that stuff from, Merck-Medco? I don't have any idea whether Mozilla is 128-bit or not, but I think it is. And I don't see a single setting in the prefs to turn it on or off. I don't think that had anything to do with not being able to run the database, but I'll never know.

    Al

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