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    Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    First, thank goodness for this board and everyone who helps so much.

    I'm reformatting a book and have finally got my headers/footers working just the way they should (odd w/chapter head, even with book title, footers with pages numbers changing from l/c roman to numerals).

    However, I'm having trouble with getting my chapters starting on the odd page only, and I don't want to screw anything up at this point. I've read the MVP articles, but just can't see the solution to my problem.

    I have a Chapter Heading style that forces a new page, but how do I make that always be the odd page? What kind of break can I force it with that won't mess up the headers/footers? I read the article about "this page intentionally left blank," but it's not exactly my problem, nor can I see how it will help. I don't need a disclaimer, but can see that a blank page with a number at the bottom is kind of goofy. I'd rather have it blank, but maintain the page count.

    Is there any way to do this?

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    I think you're searching for an odd-page section break, which you can find in the Insert|Break dialog. If you use these, then you probably have to remove the "page break before" from your chapter title style to avoid skipping ahead a page.
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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    I thought of that, but it means putting in manual breaks before each chapter. That's a lot of work -- and I thought manual formatting was to be avoided for everything to stay stable. Guess I'll make a copy of the doc and test it some more.

    Everything was working fine until I started editing text, now suddenly half the page numbers are gone again. This is really aggravating.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    If you change the style youre using for Chapter headings, then u only have to make the change once, and it will carry through the entire doc.

    To save time and possible loss, do ur formatting changes in a scrap doc into which u have pasted a few pp from the book. When you succeed with the effort, apply that change to the book itself.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    <hr>If you change the style youre using for Chapter headings, then u only have to make the change once, and it will carry through the entire doc.<hr>

    Sorry, Peter, which change are we speaking of? I don't follow. I want the chapters to all start on the odd page, but I don't see a way to do that in the style, only by using a section break (odd) before each chapter. If there is a way to do that in the style, I will be very pleased.

    Thanks,

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Just one note on this. While inserting section breaks is done manually, it is not considered formatting, therefore the rules about manual formatting do not apply. Odd page section breaks are going to be the most efficient answer to your question.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Thanks, Lee, that's a good piece of information. It seems to be working fine and the h/f problem is hopefully a thing of the past. I think I read so many articles my head was spinning from overload.

    At least I learned a lot from the whole experience, and that's always a plus!

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15> Sorry about that! I shudda checked before declaiming! You're right, of course, there is no way to set this as part of a style, or at least, no way that i found.

    The easiest way I found to do it was to view the doc in Outline view. Assuming that each chapter heading is at level 1, apply the odd page break to the first chapter heading, arrow down, Ctrl+Y to apply the same action, and continue until the bottom of the doc is reached, then return to ch 1 and check that the page number is 'appropriate'.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    I looked at this problem a little further, and cobbled together this macro, starting from the help file
    <pre>Public Sub test()
    With ActiveDocument.Content.Find
    .ClearFormatting
    .Style = wdStyleHeading1
    Do While .Execute(FindText:="", Forward:=True, _
    Format:=True)
    With .Parent
    .StartOf Unit:=wdParagraph, Extend:=wdMove
    .InsertBreak Type:=wdSectionBreakOddPage
    .Move Unit:=wdParagraph, Count:=1
    End With
    Loop
    End With
    End Sub
    </pre>

    Checking the first chapter is still important.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Thanks, Peter. I'll consider using it after I've done more clean-up on the document -- it would speed things up a lot.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Sorry to come in late and hope this doesn't make the head spin too much more!

    You say in your original posting ... I'd rather have it blank, but maintain the page count.

    With an odd page break that is exactly what you will get. On screen the page after your odd page break will have an odd number in the footer regardless of the number on the previous page. If the previous page has an odd number, then look at the footers and you will see 1, 2, 3, 5. Shrink the magnification down to say 10% and you will see only four pages.

    Send it to the printer though and you will get five sheets of paper with number 4 being blank including the footer.

    To see this:
    1] Open a new document and put page numbering in the footer.
    2] On the first page type some text and then enter a page break.
    3] Do the same on page two.
    4] In page three type some text and go to a fresh line. Now insert an odd page break.
    5] Look at the footers and you will see only pages 1, 2, 3 and 5.
    6] Print and you will get five pages with page 4 blank.

    Whilst this doesn't solve your real problem, at least once you have the odd page breaks in, you'll have the blank pages you prefer.

    A variation on Peter Roth/s suggestion and a possible solution for the next book if you are not comfortable using macros...

    As you work through the book, at the end of each chapter type "End of Chapter" (or something else unique) on the last line before the new chapter (it gets deleted later).
    When you have created the chapters, in a blank document create an odd page section break, select it and copy it to the clipboard.
    Return to your book and use Find and Replace.
    In Find, enter "End of Chapter"
    Click in Replace and click Special, click Clipboard Contents
    Click find next and Word will find "End of Chapter" and replace it with the odd page section break.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    I like your variation using search & replace.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Hi Kathleen:
    Not trying to put you on overload <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>, but this article by John McGhie is exactly what you're looking for.

    Essentially you use the field:

    { IF{ =MOD({ PAGE },2)}= 0 " " "[page break]This page is intentionally blank." }

    where { and } are field bounding characters produced by pressing Ctrl + F9; and where [page break] stands for a hard page break - press Ctrl + Enter to insert it. It cannot be a Section Break. Note that there are three nested fields: hit Ctrl + F9 three times in a row to give you your three nested sets, then fill in the rest.

    Note that you do not have to type "This page intentionally blank". You can just leave it blank by typing only the two quotes with nothing in between.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Phil ~ can this kind of construct be inserted using a macro ex post facto? I can see where it might be easier if the book were in subdocuments...

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    Re: Odd page chapter start (2000 SR-1)

    Hi Peter:
    Not being a VBA expert, I'm not sure. The nested field goes at the end of a chapter. I would think that you would need to search for a chapter heading, move the cursor back one character from the beginning of the heading, & insert the nested field.

    You can't do it directly with Find/Replace, but you can do it indirectly. You must create the field & cut it to the clipboard. Then you can replace the Chapter heading with the clipboard contents, followed by itself. I haven't tried this lately, but I think I did once.

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