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    Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    On a new machine that came with XP-Home, I cannot use non-Administrator accounts. When selected, the computer chugs a little, then takes me back to the signon screen. I can create and use as many Administrator-privilige accounts...they work fine. "Limited" accounts do not. Also, the "Guest" account does the same thing (chugs then goes right back to the signon screen). Ideas? I'd like to use this Limited-account feature!
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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Eric ~

    I had the same problem with a Fujitsu Mobile Desktop that came with XP Home. The first problem is that any OEM OS version is NOT the same as a regular full retail version. Others would like to tell you differently, but that is bull and has been confirmed by Fujitsu and Microsoft directly to me. The second problem is that your system is probably formatted FAT32. There are many fine features that will not be enabled unless your unit is formatted NTFS. This is clearly indicated in Microsoft's own "Call To Action" to manufacturers installing XP on OEM equipment. I personally went round and round with the OEM on this issue and got nowhere until I worked my way up the corporate hierarchy and convinced them after relentless rhetoric to ship me, free of charge, a full retail version of XP Home, brand new still in the box with a price tag on it. I reformatted and did a clean install and now have all the user acounts properly working, file sharing permissions, privacy settings of user profiles, compression, etc. By your company caption I am assuming you are using this for business with multiple users. I would recommend XP Pro retail version, especially if you are using a laptop. You will need to create your own backup system since your OEM probably created a partition with a drive image copy on it and this will be dismantled in the reformatting process.

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Wow. Sounds like you had more headaches than me. While I'm using this computer for my own personal use (business), I only want one other "just in case" user and/or Guest on this computer. Seems that the non-Admin users cannot sign on to this installation. ??? I did check and verified that both HD were NTFS.

    I'm puzzled that I can set up an Admin user and sign on with it, but switching that user to non-Admin blocks sign-on. I wonder if this is some lame MS-Marketing to get you to try XP-Pro...
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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Eric ~

    Hmmm.....you say they are NTFS, eh? I assume you are creating the limited user account as an Admin user. How are you switching to the other user account? I am unsure of what you mean by "switching that user to non-Admin blocks sign-on". Please expound. ( BTW - am very suspicious of MS motives, but I do not believe this to be to get you to XP Pro)

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Thanks for sticking with this... Just to try something, I created a NEW user as an Admin-type. Works fine. Then went back into the Control Panel and did a "change user type" to non-Admin. That user now doesn't work at all. I'm not switching between users (e.g. I am NOT using the "switch" feature), I'm just trying to get a non-Admin user functioning. BTW, if I try to create a non-Admin type from scratch, that doesn't work at all. Shows up on the sign-on screen, but nothing happens when I click on, enter password, and try to get onto the system.
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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    If your still trying to work this out... or need another solution:
    try creating a guest account (Limited User Account) then in your admin or original logon account go to security and select security and change the group of the guest account you created to power user. it works better then guest and limited user. I noticed there are some differes in the power user but it works if you go that route.

    you might even need to add in power user as a group ( i think i had to do that)

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Eric ~

    Sorry, buddy. The little bit of further research I did for this topic turned up nothing useful to assist you at this point. I am not sure what the problem might be.

    Anyone else have any ideas?.......Anyone?........Bueller.....?

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    In XP-Home, there is no "Power User." Only "Computer Administrator" and "Limited".
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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Thanks for the efforts. I hate having something weird like this happen, and not hear anyone else have the problem, or (even better <g>) have a solution. If I find one, I'll post it here to help the group...
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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    I don't have xp-home, i have pro yet... im almost positive mine didn't show any type of group within my security groups except "admin and limited" until i started to add them in!... I even added guest in and locked it out and several other accounts to have them locked out. But win home i know has less security protocols.... but its based off of win2000nt so i could guess it has these account groups but they are not added in...almost positive, but then again that would be easy ::grin:: not to mention for access on a intranet wouldn't work without those login accounts located somewhere in there!

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    FYI::
    Users Group Member Can Add New Users in Windows XP (Q310753)
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    The information in this article applies to:
    Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional
    Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition
    <img src=/S/alien.gif border=0 alt=alien width=14 height=15>
    Log on to the Windows-based computer using an account with administrator rights.
    Click Start , and then click Control Panel .
    Double-click Administrative Tools , and then double-click Computer Management .
    Double-click Local Users and Groups , and then click the Groups folder.
    In the right pane, double-click Power Users .
    Click NT AUTHORTYINTERACTIVE , and then click Remove .
    Click OK .
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    So this proves there is other groups in the security then just those three mentioned before.. theres like 40+ if i remember correctly.
    This might allow you to add other different groups to the security log ins... xp-home,pro,2knt, all are supposed to be a$$backward compatible... not that everything works as it should

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Home can't login to intranets and you can't add other types of users AFAIK. I used Home for about 2 weeks and gave up on it, it was too restricting and i needed to log on networks. Reentering the username password everytime i needed to access network resources got old fast. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    Yes, you can "logon" from winhome, but you can't log onto domains as you can with pro or win9x. You need to respond to the password dialog everytime.

    I think you need to re-read the KB and test it on a copy of home. It involves users adding users, not users adding groups. I beleive it tells you that any user can add new users, when logged in as a user and tells you how to force them to actually log in as the admin.

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    MJ,
    Just check that Qnumber on microsoft... this will (well would have ::grin: <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> allow you to fix the password problems and then for example you are accessing a intranet just as say a surfer, or a backup... now it will let you add in that group. I just wish i had access to xp home... which i don't... but i do know that 3 people at a lan party had xp-home and we all got logged into my computer... two other people had win98seco and the other 2 had win2000 nt... so i know it works... i sent an email out... hopefully ill get there answer soon... but i know its possible!!!! <img src=/S/brainwash.gif border=0 alt=brainwash width=15 height=15>

    http://support.microsoft.com/view/tn.asp?kb=308418
    http://support.microsoft.com/directory/art...b;en-us;Q308419
    heres those how to's!

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    Re: Using non-Admin user accounts (XP-Home)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>Edited by MaryJ on 10-Jun-02 10:07.</P>I suggest you get a copy of home and try it, then let us know how you added user groups to it.

    <hr>Windows XP on a domain<hr>
    indicates the page you found only applies to pro since home CANNOT/DOES NOT do domains.

    The person asked a question about accounts home. You can't tell them how you do it in Pro since Home is a lot different in the area of security, domains, accounts and user groups. Once oyu have some experience using Home, you'll understand why *you* are hitting your brickwall.

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