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    Spelling & Grammar

    In another thread, one of our Lounge'ers was "complaining" because no one had bothered to correct an incorrectly spelled post. This happens to be one of my pet peeves, that I'm afraid we're all guilty of. It has become especially prevalent with the internet and computers proliferating the deluge of "typewritten" material from many people who never did "really" learn how to type, let alone spell and use somewhat-correct grammar! I'm not fanatical about it, but it never ceases to amaze me how poorly we write and use (pardon me, Brits!) the King's English! I don't take the harsh stand that such people as Edwin Newman have taken on this topic, but I do think we could all do with a bit more care in the way we use "our" language. It's so easy to forget to use a spell checker or to preview what we write, but we should all pay a bit more attention to some of the simple rules of writing.

    Here in the Lounge the majority of users write clearly and with pretty fair grammar. If you want to see BAD use of typing skills and grammatical correctness, just visit your average garden variety newsgroup and you'll get sick to your stomach! Uses such as "your" instead of "you're" and "there" rather than "their" will give rise to confirmation that all too many people never should have graduated from high school, let alone college!

    Sorry, I just couldn't resist a little soap boxing!

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    Well, as it seems you are fundamentally aware, the flagrant use of prolific words only adds to the misinterpretation of properly spelled words in the first place...

    Frankly, the lounge is a place for simple talk, and not for the types of posts with the air of superiority through 'high-class' writing... I mean, it's no fun if I have to accompany my time in the lounge with an external resource such as a dictionary to decipher the 'english' written within...

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    You'll all just have to forgive me. I have what is known in medical services as a brain-fingers disconnect. My brain can spell conventionally, but my fingers use alternative dictionaries. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>

    But seriously, to rephrase that great philosopher Rodney King <img src=/S/ouch.gif border=0 alt=ouch width=15 height=15>, can't we all just allow a little typographic licentiousness?
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    I hope you mean "licence". But then again... <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    Depending where he's from. He might mean license.
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    No, that's the verb.
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    There's more than enough graphic licentiousness on the web already. I don't think we need typographic licentiousness in Woody's Lounge.

    (See for instance here for a definition of licentiousness)

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    My understanding is that "license" is the verb, and "licence" is the English (and Australian) spelling of the noun (as distinct from the US spelling).

    And my dictionay gives "licentiousness" as one of the definitions of licence.

    If English were consistent, it should be spelt "licensiousness".
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    Understand you're point Doc, but tend to agree with the comments of "keep it simple" - this forum is a place to enjoy as well as learn. The fact you have several replies indicate interest in this topic, albeit cheeky! <img src=/S/compute.gif border=0 alt=compute width=40 height=20> In a work environment the issue of spelling and grammer are indeed seriously lacking.

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    "licentiousness" usually means disregarding the rules - dissolute.
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    As in someone taking licence (or taking license?)
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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    Sorry to have started this little ruckus.

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    How to puncture a good joke? Deliberately misunderstand the punchline. Or retell it the way it "should" have been. Or explain it to death.

    I enjoyed your pun.

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    Is it not a matter of personal preference? Not I hasten to add, whether or not the grammar and syntax are good : they frequently have to be for the clarity of thought to shine through. More a matter of whether or not to allow the occasional typo in one's posts to get through (personally I hate 'em and in the Lounge they're easy to correct).
    I can handle the occasional typo or even misspelling in someone else's posts, but I cannot abide the apparently perverse refusal to use either punctuation or the Shift key. That's laziness with a capital I I find them peculiarly difficult to read or make sense of.
    I would also suggest that context is important. I might sign-off a text message with cu l8r m8 - but perhaps the main excuse for such barbarism is because it's so damned hard to type on those infernal keypads. Similarly with the chat seen in on-line games. k (for ok) and r (ready?) lol, oom, ooe and the like - not to menion [img]/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] or [img]/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif[/img] - are time-savers and therefore excusable in that context, and anyway, everybody understands them.

    As we see, 'typographical license' would be perfectly proper, sensible and sober; 'typographical licentiousness' is mischievous, humorous and meaningless - yet we all know what the meaning is. 'Too many cooks spoil the broth' is what is known as 'begging the question' and says nothing useful, yet everyone reads it as 'Many cooks spoil the broth' , which does have meaning. We can safely ignore the form and understand the underlying implication. This, I would say, is the essence of communication and is why missspelling, typos, solecisms can be glossed over where the sense is not impeded.

    ne1 agree?

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    Re: Spelling & Grammar

    Well put. We should be about clarity and ease of comprehension, with concision where possible. A poorly written question will get lousy answers, a poorly written answer will only get more questions (where a well written answer may get new questions).

    I plead guilty of being a little pretentious in using $25 words in when 5
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