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    Install Folders and Wasted Space (XPP/2K)

    A question for the lounge...

    When you install a hotfix for XP it leaves an installation folder under Winnt... for instance:

    C:WINNT$NtUninstallQ309521$

    And there's an uninstall item in Add/Remove applet/registry key. This rolls back the hotfix (it doesn't remove it from the hard disk).

    My question is: surely there's some sort of utility out there that removes these setup files for you, no? I know I can delete and then edit the registry, but shouldn't there be some way to reclaim this space?

    Same thing with the InstallShield folder: such as:

    C:Program FilesInstallShield Installation Information{2875A5F5-E613-4F99-9B47-8882C9DD24A5}

    These folders contain the *entire* setup program for an application -- so that you can modify options/re-install. If you just delete these folders then you can never "uninstall." Shouldn't there be a way to archive the full install images without nuking the Add/Remove capability.

    Seems like this is an incredible waste of space.

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    Re: Install Folders and Wasted Space (XPP/2K)

    Guy,

    Those folders ($NTUninstallQare a legacy holdover from the days of Windows NT. Those actually do appear in Add/Remove Programs. They're the hotfixes that you apply, now usually available via Windows Update. If you are satisfied that your system is operating properly after applying them (it doesn't always) you can safely remove them. It will leave an entry in the Add/Remove list which you can prune with another tool, like TweakUI or X-Setup. I don't think there is a specific utility out there to remove these folders. No software developer would want to be directly responsible for leaving you with an operating system that was unrepairable.

    The InstallShield folders are much the same, but less critical. I leave them there unless I need to clean up some space, because it's faster than hunting for a CD to repair an application. But again, you can remove them yourself if you don't want them around, I've never seen anything ill come of doing so. Yet. If the application is written correctly then you should be able to put the CD in the system when prompted - after which it will promptly re-create that folder.

    A waste of space? Maybe. But I think the prevailing view is that huge hard drives are the norm, and the space used isn't all that significant in the larger scheme of things. After all, if the person using the PC is ripping all of the CDs onto their hard drive, it will chew up a lot more space than the safeguards such as InstallShield's folders.
    -Mark

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    Re: Install Folders and Wasted Space (XPP/2K)

    Hey Mark,

    Yes, I realize the $NTUninstallQxxx$ items appear in Add/Remove. But Removing it undoes the patch, it doesn't *permanently* apply the patch and remove the excess hotfix files. Seems to me the uninstall item should have three items: Cancel, Remove HotFix from WinXP, and Remove Temp Files.

    I realize it can all be done manually... but it just seems an oversight not to have some management facility to nuke the hotfixes (which seem to come fasts and furious) after you are satisfied they work.

    It isn't just about the space -- though since I have a small boot partition C, it is an issue -- it's also about the OS doing something behind my back. Can't stand when that happens.

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    Re: Install Folders and Wasted Space (XPP/2K)

    Yeah, Guy, I agree with you - that would be a nice thing to have as an option, at least for Hotfixes. I, like you, have a smaller boot partition and when every service pack wants to make a copy of the system folder, it gets a bit ridiculous. Worth having for a little while but something that should be cleaned up as an option.

    I got to wondering if any of the applications that clean up temporary files would also do the trick for the two types that you mentioned. I used to use a utility that had a configurable interface for temp files....darned if I remember what it is at the moment - but it was nice to have the functionality and I'd bet it's not limited to the one app that I can't recall right now.
    <hr> it's also about the OS doing something behind my back. Can't stand when that happens<hr>
    Oh, boy, Guy, if you use Windows, you better get used to it.... <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Install Folders and Wasted Space (XPP/2K)

    Here's another oddity.

    Upgrading to windows xp over windows 2k did NOT prompt me that it would save a copy of the older OS (as it had upgrading over Win98).

    However, there is an item in Add/Remove Programs named "Windows 2000 Professional."

    When I look through the registry, all I see for this is:

    HKUS-1-5-21-299502267-527237240-1606980848-1000SoftwareMicrosoftInstallerProducts6CAA8B0107EF 0B242A44C7B97E049A8DProductNameWindows 2000 Professoinal

    With a pointer to the orginal installation folder (G:Professionali386) which no longer exists.

    I guess I'm a control freak, but I'm really fed up with all this vestigial detritus. And I more or less felt I understood (sort of) what the OS was doing up until XP.

    It just seems to me the great advan

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