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    WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Folks - am I missing something ? - (I've got nothing agains DOS commands), but what's wrong with just double-clicking on the clock in the system-tray, then on the "Internet Time" Tab, checking "automatically synchronze with an Internet time server" and selecting either "time.windows.com", or "time.nist.gov" - ok there are only 2 servers in the list, but it works for me. <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Remember that some people just do NOT want to do it the Microsoft way <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>, I agree with you <img src=/S/devil.gif border=0 alt=devil width=15 height=15>, I do not need any other time source.

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    When I first installed XP Pro, the time synch thingie in Help said it will synch your clock once a week and I wondered why so far apart. Looks like to me once a DAY would have been a little better. And, unless I missed something, it doesn't let you pick the interval, right Dave?

    Since I've been so used to using Tardis, I just keep on doing so. But Woody's way is free, right? I haven't finished reading it, but I saw something about messing in the registry and I wondered why! The NET command shouldn't require doing anything in the registry.

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    From the Help and search
    <font color=blue>Synchronizing your computer clock If your computer is a member of a domain, your computer clock is probably synchronized automatically by a network time server. If your computer is not a member of a domain, you can synchronize your computer clock with an Internet time server.

    If synchronization is enabled, your computer clock is synchronized with an Internet time server <font color=red>once a week</font color=red>. However, if you don't have a continuous Internet connection through a cable modem or DSL modem, the automatic synchronization might not always occur. In that case, you can force an immediate synchronization by clicking the <font color=red>Update Now button on the Internet Time tab in Date and Time in Control Panel</font color=red>. This tab is only available if your computer is not a member of a domain.</font color=blue>

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Aaaargh! Forget I said what I did. It's called CRS. Somewhere I have to remember that even if on a small home network (like me), at least one of the machines has to be synch'ing with something, otherwise the NET command is useless. Anyway, even for the die-hards like me who want automation, there's still Tardis or AtomTime.....

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Are you running a domain or a peer to peer network?

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    It's peer-to-peer. I have Tardis running on this XP Pro machine and use the Net command on the other machines to synch their clocks. I do it twice a day, but obviously that's fool-hardy in a home environment. I just do it for the heck of it.

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Big Al, Take a look a this registry key on the XP machine: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMCurrentControlSetServicesW 32TimeTimeProvidersNtpClient. The value in SpecialPollInterval is the time in seconds between time synchs. Also, look at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionDateTimeServers. You can add time servers here. Be sure to change the 'default' value as it is the count of servers.
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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Thanx for the instructions, Joe! Before I jump in though, I have a question for you. In Woody's latest article he tutors on how to change the list of servers from the command line, but then toward the end of his article, he says if you just want to modify the list, it's usually easier to go into the registry to do so. However, he mentions a different key than you did for the list of servers. He points us to:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMControlSet001ServicesW32Ti meParametersNtpserver.

    Both his key and yours have the list. Do you know what the difference is? (HKLMSoftware vs. HKLMsystem). Woody also says that if you change the registry manually, you STILL have to run (from the command line) w32tm /config /update. True? Also, my registry has a ControlSet, ControlSet001 and ControlSet002.

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    This is where editing the registry can be dangerous. These are alternative profiles, so you need to determine which one the system is currently using. Most times, it's CurrentControlSet as logic would dictate - but if you perform a "Last Known Good" boot, then it may not be.

    Now, here's the ugly (you know the good, you know the bad). Determining which control set is in use is less than intuitive. <img src=/S/ranton.gif border=0 alt=ranton width=66 height=37> In fact, the more I think about what was in that newsletter I'm not so certain it was a great idea to get people thinking about this. This is a fairly advanced topic IMHO. <img src=/S/rantoff.gif border=0 alt=rantoff width=66 height=37>

    Read this article: Restoring Previous ControlSet After Using LastKnownGood to get an idea of what you're looking at here. There's no hard and fast answer; everyone could conceivably have a different configuration. If you're comfortable with the registry, then you could edit this entry in all of the ControlSets that appear there, but that seems like a lot of work, all for a time synch - especially when there are twenty million little programs out there that do the same thing without all this hassle.

    Myself, I'll live with the shortcomings of the XP applet. No, wait, I'll continue to use AboutTime.
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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    What else can I say but Okay! Here's a case of me wanting to do what I usually DON'T do and that's use something that's built in, rather than keep on using third-party shareware.

    Concerning your About Time link, Mark. I went to take a look and am I correct in assuming it's freeware? I didn't see any mention of price.....

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15> It's freeware if you ascribe to Paul Lutus' (the developer's) theory....and for some reason I think you fit this description. Mr. Lutus describes this as "careware". The whole concept is at this URL: http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html and below is a short excerpt:

    <hr>CareWare * doesn't involve money, but it is a transaction nevertheless. Something is delivered, something is received. Adam Smith's invisible economic hand moves through the CareWare economy just like everywhere else. I can't ask for something more than I am giving, but I can ask for an appropriate exchange.

    To own AboutTime (sic), I ask that you stop whining about how hard your life is, at least for a while. When Americans whine, nearly everybody else in the world laughs. We have so much, and yet we manage to:

    <UL><LI>Overlook great examples of beauty around us,
    <LI>Miss our most important opportunities,
    <LI>Manage to make ourselves miserable by expecting something even better to come along.[/list]So here is my deal: stop whining for an hour, a day, a week, your choice, and you will have earned your copy of Arachnophilia. Say encouraging words to young people, make them feel welcome on the planet Earth (many do not). Show by example that we don't need all we have in order to be happy and productive.<hr>
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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Jeez, I'm sorry now that I didn't do some more reading on that site. When you think about it, that's HEAVY stuff! Thnx for the steer, Mark. I like the guy already and I don't know anything about D. H. Lawrence. AboutTime, here I come.....

    (I also had forgotten about this, but I use some piece of software where the author wanted nothing more than a NOTE from people. Can't for the life of me remember what it was, but I'll dig it up. Whatever it is, as I remember it the software was pretty good too!)

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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    BigAl, You're welcome. On two XP Pro machines that I use the HKLMSoftware... key contains the list of time servers that populate the drop down list in the 'Internet Time' tab you see in the 'Date and Time Properties' applet. The value in the HKLMSystem... key is the one currently selected in the applet. I've always modified KHLMSystemCurrentControlSet... See Dave's reply about control sets. I'm not sure about running the w32tm command. I've just stopped and started the Windows Time service. That seemed to do the trick.

    HTH, Joe
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    Re: WINDOWS XP Watch #2.28 - XP Time Sync (XP_PRO)

    Thanks for the followup, Joe. I'm gonna give XP a try but as you can see from my ramblings with Mark, I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. I've been using Tardis for several years, but today I downloaded Mark's fave as well as a Tardis update.

    I made the two changes you pointed out, changing my interval to 43,200 (twice a day) and adding a server just for grins. Good thing you mentioned the default value! There were two servers already listed but my default value was set to 1. You don't suppose that's a "zero based" value do you? Well, I changed it to 3, so I'll see what happens. (I've got a Drive Image backup!!!)

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