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    WORD - TABLE (2000)

    I have this odd problem. I have this document created in Word and inside this document I have a large table. Up until today when I changed the page size from Legal to Letter it was fine. I changed the page layout and now the document is messed up bad. I have this huge header and footer that takes up the whole page and there is nothing in it and my table is showing that (keep text together and keep paragraphs together is on) but it isn't on. I have attahced the document.

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    You do have an odd problem. There are several things wrong with this document, all of which could add up to the problem you're experiencing.

    1) There are two section breaks in the document, one of which is extremely difficult to delete. I had to fiddle around with it for a while before I was finally able to delete it. Once I had deleted the section breaks, I no longer saw the large header and footer that you referred to. That makes sense, because headers and footers are section properties - remove the section break, remove the header and footer.

    2) Even after deleting the section break, the table did not want to behave. This is in portrait layout in the print layout view. It want to stay all on one page, even though there appears to be no formatting which would force it to do that. Although the black square in the margin that can indicate Keep Lines Together and Keep With Next are there, that formatting has not been applied. I selected the table and converted table to text, and lo and behold, the whole @#$)(%* thing is in a frame. I deleted the frame, but when I tried to convert the text back to a table, it did not convert back cleanly.

    3) Even though you said the document was created in Word, there are formatting issues that make me believe that, at the very least, large amounts of text were copied in from another application, or from a Word document which was created in another application, then incompletely converted to Word. One of those issues is the string of tab markers you see across the ruler on almost any line of text. That's generally a sign of a conversion problem. Not always, but generally.

    You could follow the steps I outlined above, then try to clean up the table after converting it back from text. However, I think you have what we refer to technically as an EVIL document, and, depending on the length, I'd be strongly tempted to retype it. Or, at the very least, select the entire document, copy it, then Edit/Paste Special/Unformatted Text into a brand new clean Word document and reformat it. I truly don't think anything short of that is going to give you a stable document.

    Lee Morgan

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    Thank you. I will try everything you suggested to try.

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    Hi Lee:
    I was curious about this document after I read your description. It appeared to me that somehow, the second section break was applied outside the margins of the document as there were tabs beyond the margin. I, too, had difficulty deleting the section break & couldn't do so until I deleted the frame. I've never seen this before. It appears to occur if you place a section break inside a frame. I was able to duplicate the Header taking up the entire page & not being visible by inserting a Next Page section break & inserting it in a frame. However, I was able to do a Find/Replace for the section break in my document and it showed up in normal view. In the document that is attached here, Find/Replace would not work & the section break would not show up in normal view.

    I'm wondering if you have any more insight as to how this section break was created & whether you deleted it the same way that I did.

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    Kim-

    Maybe I'm not understanding the issue here, but I found that the table was inside a frame. I simply deleted the frame and the document now looks fine to me.

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    I was able to delete the frame but not until I converted the table to text and then I was able to see the frame and delete it. The one section break was easy to find the other one was a tough one to find. After I deleted both of those I was able to see my headers and footers and they were normal size. Then I converted the text back to a table and did massive amouts of cleanup in the table to make it look right. Wished there was an easier way but it worked out okay. Thanks to all!

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    Phil -

    I have no idea how this section break was created, but I deleted it by inserting several paragraph markers in front of it, then selecting the paragraph markers as well as the section break and hitting delete. I was never able to remove it just by positioning the cursor in front of the section break and hitting delete, regardless of how many paragraph markers I had inserted in front of it.

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>Edited by Phil Rabichow on 06-Aug-02 21:49.</P>Hi Lee:
    I just tried it again. Interesting. Using Word 97, I saw the frame immediately. I could then remove the frame & delete the section break. I want to look at this again with Word 2000 & see what is different.

    Later: I just checked in Word 2000. I could not immediately see & delete the frame. When I tried hiding the document text while viewing the header/footer, the document froze. I believe there is some corruption in the document.

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    Phil -

    How interesting that Word 97 and Word 2000 view the frame differently. I agree with you about the corruption. One of our really really good analysts looked at the document the other day after I told him about it and agreed with me that it was just evil. I wonder if there's a word processing equivalent of exorcism?

    Lee Morgan

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    No. The only way to exorcise a word processing document is to use a typewriter. <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>

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    Re: WORD - TABLE (2000)

    "No. The only way to exorcise a word processing document is to use a typewriter. "

    Oh, no! Don't say that out loud! We have users who truly believe it and have been trying to convince us of it! <img src=/S/brickwall.gif border=0 alt=brickwall width=25 height=15>

    Lee

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