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    WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    In the latest "Woody's Office Watch" (Vol 7 No 37), Peter stated... <img src=/S/sarcasm.gif border=0 alt=sarcasm width=15 height=15>

    "It was only when Master Documents was totally dismantled and rebuilt from scratch did it work properly, but to this day we hear from understandably nervous Word users."

    Uh, when was it fixed? I missed that headline in my paper. I still hear from everyone, MVP's included, to avoid Master Docs due to instability and corruption. (Sounds like a country I once lived in.)

    Anybody got milk? - I mean - documentation? I'd like to see the repair order for Master Docs before I take a ride with it. Last time it took me for ride, alright.

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    After the initial problems with the first version of master documents, I've checked every new version up to 2000, and have found it largely unchanged. I can only assume it's finally been fixed in XP, which I don't yet have. The acid test for me is to see whether the correct section breaks move when sub-documents are being rearranged. If that still doesn't work, I don't want to know about master documents yet!

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    I'm glad somebody asked this question. I had the same reaction when I read that statement. I just got a test computer set up with XP, so I'd test it, but we're working with a document management system, and I really don't trust it under those circumstances. Looks like I'm going to have to load it at home or something!

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Hey, Alison. In Word 2002 (XP) Master Documents got a face lift. It is now part of the Outline view, if you can believe that. Being a huge Outline view user, I was a bit insulted. <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15> This may be what Peter is referring to. Perhaps some of the programming was recreated as well. Who knows?

    Nevertheless, MVP's and other writers are still saying there's nothing new to change their minds and to still not trust it. They are sticking to their guns that it can corrupt. Peter, so far, is the only one I've read that has a different opinion, that's why he caught my attention. I'd like to see him back up his claim with some facts and some field tests.

    By the way, if you have a scripted test, I'll employ it and see what happens. Give me some steps and I'll test the new Master Documents. But then again, from what I've read, Master Docs can corrupt or corrupt in the future. It's not a test with instant conclusions.

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    I'll wait for you folks to test it and report back. I'm not trusting my live data to a proven document destroyer...once burned <img src=/S/cooked.gif border=0 alt=cooked width=50 height=46> ...twice shy <img src=/S/shy.gif border=0 alt=shy width=15 height=15>. If something HAS to be split up, then it's document_a, document_b, document_c for me.

    BTW, what have they done to my lovely tables feature? I'm hearing all sorts of horror stories about long tables in XP turning into bloated unwieldy monstrosities... I'm finally weaning my (inherited) users off of using Excel as a text database...now this!

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    My first ever post to this lounge was "What has happened to the sub documents in my master document?" Oh boy did I get some responses! Having used WordPerfects Master/Sub for years with no problems I hadn't anticipated any probs when I switched to Word. The things it did to my sections and styles were unspeakable and once bitten never ever again. If it does work in XP it would be a massive nudge towards upgrading from 2000 but could we trust it?

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Hi Lenny - I never got around to automating the tests; I just create a master document, add 3 or 4 sub-documents, then try rearranging them and seeing if there's any way to keep the right section breaks with the relevant sub-documents - with no success to date.

    Like Van Swearingen, I tend to just work with separate documents, but use the ancient RD fields to pull everything together for Tables of Contents, Tables of Authorities and Indexes. Looks as though I'll be continuing to do so for a while! <img src=/S/bummer.gif border=0 alt=bummer width=15 height=15>

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Excuse my ignorance, but what are the RD fields you keep speaking of? I'm too lazy to look it up, sorry. I use TOC's a lot, but have never had to divide my documents into seperate files, so this might be new to me.

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    I can think of lots of good reasons to upgrade to XP, but Masser Documents is not one. I might try a test on it soon. But would that help? I've heard MD is like a time bomb that you don't know when it will go off.

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    RD fields are field codes which can be hidden in a document to point to other word files. By using these you can build a TOC or Index across multiple documents. This lets you get around the separate document problems without using Master docs.
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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Interesting. I just found it in the Help files, too. I'll keep it in mind should I need to span documents like that.

    It said you have to manually start the page numbering in the subsequent documents. Is that true?

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Sorry, Lenny - I was offline all yesterday, so I'm glad someone else was able to get you going on RD.

    As far as I recall, I usually manually restart the page numbering for each document, which can be a bit of a pain. However, my most recent experience was one where the break-up of the sections lent itself to a restart anyway (a legal reference manual for an Act that was constantly amended, and they deliberately left big gaps in the numbering to allow for insertions). So sometimes it doesn't matter so much!

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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    That same question was asked here in March this year. You might like to have a look at Phil's detailed solution

    The long and the short of automatically taking page numbers is ... Yes it can be done but it is complex enough to set up that it is heaps quicker to just set each file manually (or run a macro to set each file manually). In the end you only need the numbers to be right at delivery time so forget about it until then and then do a quick pass before updating the TOC.
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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Hey, thanks a bunch, Andrew, for the message link. I've bookmarked it for later use should I need it. I agree that manually setting the page numbers for each file is not a burdensome task. I just wanted to confirm that being part of the routine.

    Thanks again,
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    Re: WHEN was master documents fixed? (U Tell Me)

    Thanks, Alison. It sounds simple enough. My manuals are not currently long enough to warrant seperate files, but will be one day. It's nice to know about this other technique for the TOC. I use TOC's in all my long documents and will need one for such a multiple-file document. It's a good thing to know.

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