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    Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    ignorance displayed can lead to knowledge shared - so here goes! Sometimes when using online help for a program, or when visiting a web page I get a message suggesting that I don't have Java Virtual machine Installed and that I should do so. What is this and if I do so will it increase the possibility of me getting a virus or trojan?

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    Re: Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    The JVM (Java Virtual Machine) provides programs, applets, and sort of interesting things written in Java with an environment to operate in. The JVM translates what the program wants into something the OS (Windows) can understand. The idea, way back when, was that Java programs could be written once and run anywhere: Linux. Apple. Unix. And so on. In reality, Sun has all but ruined a great concept with their selfish handling of Java, and although there are programs written in Java not many things require the runtime - the JVM.

    To my knowledge no one has ever gotten a virus or trojan from having the Java runtime installed. It's not going to hurt you, and you may see some cool content with it, so if you're visiting websites that prompt you to install it, go for it!
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    Re: Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    Hi
    Microsoft used to supply the JVM as part of the package, then it was available from their update site, now they don't and it isn't. I found that the only way I could get it was from Sun Systems, and then it seemed a far more elaborate set-up than I either needed or wanted. This was all changed anyway when I loaded Britannica 2002 - this installed its own JVM, which according to WJVIEW, turned the latest MS version back on. I have not the slightest idea which off the numerous Java folders/files I now have I could safely delete....
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    Re: Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    Wow! Good work, Dave!

    I just built a new system and installed a fresh WinXP Pro OS - only to find out that for "legal" reasons MS has removed the Install on Demand feature for the Java VM. They will include the VM with Windows XP Service Pack 1, but I thought I was stuck until then... It's quite sad that you can't visit a website created by MS FrontPage (using the Java applet buttons) without having the VM. I'm sure many other new WinXP users will be quite frustrated until SP1 is released...

    Here is their FAQ explaining their move: http://www.microsoft.com/java/xp.htm

    I'll bet Woody will have a field day with this in his newsletters!

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    Re: Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    Microsoft has announced (yesterday) that it will carry Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Java programming language in the Windows operating system nine months longer than first planned, to give customers more time to transition between the software platforms.

    Originally, Microsoft had said it would only carry Java in Windows until the end of 2003, under an agreement that allows programs written in the Java programming language to run on top of Windows. Microsoft and Sun said in a joint statement that they would extend that by 10 months to Sept. 30, 2004.

    One of the main issues concerning customers and software vendors is the ability to preserve software security during the transition so that hackers won't get a chance to exploit software flaws.

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    Re: Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    SMBP

    I think to be absolutely pedantic, the situation is that Microsoft are to continue support for the (so-called) "Microsoft Virtual Machine" until the end of September 2004.

    That doesn't appear to mean that they're going to reinstate it into Windows XP, and I expect that the download previously mentioned will be the only practical way of obtaining it. What happens if the JVM should need a security fix ... who knows?
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    Re: Java Virtual Machine? (V2002 Pro)

    It's a worthwhile distinction John, but Reuters says it's going to be the "programming language" and that adaptable Microsoft has made a little bit nice with Sun--probably not all dismissals in the current litigation going on-- in district courts in San Jose the valley full of Silicon, transferred to Judge Motz in Baltimore--I'll have to research that in light of the current reapproachment. The "make-nice" quote was from MS VP Windows Client Division Chris Jones:

    "We've put our differences aside <img src=/S/heart.gif border=0 alt=heart width=15 height=15> since we've heard from customers that they would like a little more time as they are in the process of migrating," said Chris Jones, Microsoft's vice president of the Windows client division.

    Guess it depends what the meaning of differences is--because there are still law suits and equally large attorney fees paid by Sun and Microsoft in lawsuits consolidated in Baltimore, Maryland.

    Microsoft to Extend Java in Windows to Sept. 2004--Reuters News Service

    From Sun's Site:

    SUN AND MICROSOFT AGREE ON MAINTENANCE LICENSE FOR MSJVM: Customers of the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine to Be Supported for Another Year

    Sun Files Suit Against Microsoft for Anti-Trust Violations

    Antitrust suits from Be, Sun move to Baltimore

    You gotta appreciate the flexibility--l always heard a lady has a right to change her mind, and I suppose so do software companies. Jones says "We've put our differences aside" but Sun has a website on litigation against Microsoft that's still up called www.sun.com/lawsuit.

    Boy--suppose they were really mad-- <img src=/S/aflame.gif border=0 alt=aflame width=16 height=16>what might that URL <img src=/S/bif.gif border=0 alt=bif width=70 height=28> be?

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