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    Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    I have tried most of the "freebie" software firewalls ( i think) Zone Alarm,Norton,Outpost? etc. and I keep coming back to Zone Alarm as the simplist and easiest one to use. I'm now running the latest version 3.1.291 and it tests out fine using Steve Gibson's GRC site, (test portals;test shields) However, others like Symantec say that it does not block "referers" which apparently gives out info regarding last site visited etc. Norton does do this as well as Outpost.
    My question is can Zone Alarm block this also and how is it setup to do this? I thought I checked all of the options but did not see anything that might apply to this. I also sent a similar message to Zone Labs but still waiting. My bet is on Woodies for a faster answer.
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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    I don't know the answer either, but I'll sure as heck be watching this thread to see if you hear from them!

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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Hi Big Al,
    Still waiting for an answer from Zone Labs. Poked around their website and there is a lot of "smoke and mirrors" talk about this feature not being important enough to add to the program! ( how come the competition thinks it is?) I'll be sure to pass along the official answer to this IF I get one!
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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Is there any chance a conflict has come up? I believe XP Home has its own built in firewall, I recall either reading in here somewhere or being told to disengage it before I do anything else. I did so and installed the earlier version of ZA, seems to be okay, and I've tested the feedback sites too, nothing is getting through. I don't want to start another discussion about firewalls, because I know there is a problem with product wars and the last thread was shut down over it. Big Al I thought you had to do some tweaking to get the latest version of _____ working, perhaps you do have the answers. Good to see you back Al - missed ya! :-)

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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Hi
    I think for that sort of configurability you would need the Pro version, for which you have to pay. This allows you to set Cookies at various levels, one of which would prevent site visits being recorded. Having said that, I always found the free version of ZA perfectly adequate for home use, blocking both incoming probes and attempted outgoing connections.
    Alternatively, clearing out your Temp Internet and Cookies folders (not a bad idea anyway) every so often (from within IE) should save you from most interference of this sort. If you have IE6 you can set the Privacy level in any case.

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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Hi Merc,
    I don't think Zone Alarm Pro is the answer either, since I have downloaded the 30 day evaluation of the full pro and it still left the outgoing "referer" info
    open to the world. I still haven't heard back from Zone Labs to either confirm or deny that.
    Regarding cookies, I have also left everything the same and just installed the Outpost firewall and that DOES block "referers". Put Zone Alarm back again without any other changes and I'm giving out info again.
    Privacy... I think I have it set for the highest level. Zone Alarm is still the easiest to set up and configure, so I am staying with it despite that little flaw that I hope can be worked out.
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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Cyberdance,
    One of the first things I did was to disable the XP firewall.
    So far as the feedback sites, I think it depends on which one you use. Gibson's GRC gives me a full green board of all stealth on my ports, but I don't
    THINK it tests for "referers"? Yet if you try the Symantec security site, it shows open info for referers. Using the Outpost firewall and going to the Symantec site it shows referers are shutdown !! Go figure !
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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

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    I would ask for a bit more information as to these 'referrers' you keep mentioning. Are they cookies, or what? If they are, ZA takes care of them at 3 different levels. When I run the Windows Anti-Intrusion app from GRISOFT, I receive a clean bill of health. If on top of having ZA set up correctly, and scanning with AdAware every so often, and running a comprhensive VS, something else is needed for protection purposes I'm surprised I haven't been informed of it by the utilities I use.
    Since Zone Labs make their money out of selling a professional level of protection, I'm sure if it were important they'd address the issue, before their reputation went down the pan.
    I should imagine, though I could be wrong, that to pose any danger a referrer would need somehow to contact base. The ZA firewall will intercept any such action, though the buil-in XP one will not.
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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Referers are a rather misunderstood thing but they are NOT cookies. Below I will paste a portion of the definition of same from the Symantec security web site.

    When you click a Web page, your browser notes the current page you are on and sends that information to the new Web page. This way, the server for the new Web page knows the last Web page you viewed. For example, if you are on www.symantec.com and click www.microsoft.com, the browser sends www.microsoft.com the information that you are currently viewing www.symantec.com. If you block referer information, the server of the page you are requesting to see does not know what page you saw last.

    Apparently a temporary log file is created and this contains the above type info and is released through your browser(which your firewall allows)
    There is much more about this on the www.symantec.com security pages. Just do search on referer and you can read more.
    While this may not be a BIG security breach, I for one would like to block this info, and I am sure many others would too.
    You can also do a security check while you are at that site. It is one of the ones that tell me that Zone Alarm does NOT block the referers log.
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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    <hr>.....on the www.symantec.com security pages..... It is one of the ones that tell me that Zone Alarm does NOT block the referers log.<hr>
    I guess I would EXPECT Symantec to tell us something they do, that the competition does not. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's important, at least to the majority of people. If I'm not mistaken, the business of Site B knowing that a browser just "came from" Site A is so-called normal internet practice. When I review the web server logs that my site host maintains for me, it shows the referer on almost all entries. But that can be a GOOD thing to know if you're interested. For example, I get a lot of "visits" to my web pages coming from Langa.Com because my site is listed on Fred Langa's web pages. That's kinda nice to know info. I guess I'm with MerC and THAT'S somethin' in itself, huh MerC? <img src=/S/crossfingers.gif border=0 alt=crossfingers width=17 height=16>

    But, don't get me wrong, I'd still like to hear what ZoneLabs says, if they answer you.....

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    Re: Zone Alarm (XP Home)

    Me too, let us know what Zonelabs come back with, interesting to follow. :-)

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