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    Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    If one is using the Radio Tuner on the web in Media Player, often times there exists the choice to listen by playing 28K or 56K. Now since there is a 56K modem on this particular unit, the 56K option was selected, but playback is choppy or altogether non-existent. Now, if the 28K option is chosen, the playback is almost perfect.

    This is perplexing. Anyone care to elaborate why this is occurring?

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    There is no way that you will get a 56K stream of data through a modem that is specified as "56K".

    Many people think that a 56K modem can download data at 56K. What the 56K actually means is "there is no way that you will ever exceed this speed no matter what you do or how good your line quality is".

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Bruce, Anything 45K or above is good on a 56K dialup line. With the way the internet works you'd never get 56K as download even is you could get a 56K connection. With the number of hops and queues each packet must traverse you'll almost always be better off selecting a lower speed. Note, that you'll probably also be sacrificing some quality at the lower speed.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    I know one cannot expect to get a 56K connection, in fact, even the highest possible connection on a 56K modem is 53K. What I am curious about is why I don't get ANYthing when selecting the 56K choice on a station. I should be able to connect at 28 & 56 w/ a 56K modem.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Maybe I am confusing everyone here.

    When you go to a radio station, often one gets the choice to connect at 28K or 56K. Shouldn't I be able to connect at both speeds? I certainly do not expect to get full 56K speed at the 56K connection, but I expect to get connected at 56K. 28K makes connection all choppy and in and out. Why do they bother offering the choice of two speeds if the lower speed is the better speed? My assumption is that 28K choice is for those folks who have a 28K modem and cannot connect at 56K and 56K choice is for all else - is this wrong? What you are telling me is that if you had a T1, you would still get the choppy in-and-out reception as you can only receive as fast as they transmit - is this correct?

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Bruce--I understand the question and have seen similar problems with Cable modems and speeds available for different movies with WMP and with other players. Does this shed any light?

    NAVAS 28800-56k Modem FAQ

    What's a 56-K Compatible Line?

    or one of the links on the home page of the first; but they don't seem to explain why you are choppy at 28K.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Bruce, The choppiness is because your PC is not receiving the stream fast enough to keep a reliable sound going. Why that occurs is a difficult answer to discern. It could be your ISP, your connection to the ISP, the station's ISP, the station's server could be miscofigured for the load, the load can vary everywhere along the way. You should be able to select either speed. Your assumption is correct about the choices but only if you have a good end-to-end (from your pc to the server and back) connection. If you had a T1 you could get choppy reception as there are many factors involved. You'd be able to eliminate your PC to ISP connection from the equation though (assuming no hardware problems). Know that is not very definitive but communcations is a complicated beast.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Frag ~

    Hey those were some very educational sites and I ended up bookmarking some of the links within. I learned a <img src=/w3timages/censored.gif alt=censored border=0>load.

    A question I still have is when I have the choice at the radio stations site to connect at 56K or 28K, shouldn't I get the same results at 56K as I did with 28K choice?

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    I am not on cable, But ATT dial up. I no longer use other media players as they all seem to have their own idiosyncrasies and rather just stick with one and WMP has been pretty good to me.

    I get the choppiness at the 28K site option. I also get choppiness at 56k site option, if I can even get connected. That is that part that is baffling me. I am not expecting to get 56K throughput, but I do expect to get a connection at the 56K site option and at least get the performance I get at the 28K site option. Does this make sense. But I find I can even get any connection sometimes much less a choppy one. What would you suppose?

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    We meet again, Joe.......

    I read the info at the NAVAS and other site above provided by defrag and learned there is a veritable plethora of variables involving connections. A beast...perhaps....complicated, a hearty Amen.

    If I choose the 28K site connection option and am getting a through put of, oh, say 26400, then if I choose the 56K site connection option, shouldn't I still be able to get at least the 26400 if not a little more? But instead I tend to get a worse connection w/ that option.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Bruce--

    I am on a Cable and when I first set up I had consitently choppy music until I checked my sound card speaker set-up and it was defaulted to two (I have 4 speakers) and if I set it 4, 5 or "5 surround" the choppiness was gone. I know you've checked that. With ME though, for reasons I wish I could explain, a couple times my balance and volume settings "reverted"--the balance settings would go to all left or my sound would be levered down to silence. I don't believe my computer was haunted; rather that downloads or other programs impacted the settings --but not with X P and I was experiencing marked memory leak with ME--I put two or three memory monitors on it and watched it drain--programs in ME seemed to borrow memory and not give it back .
    One thing I wanted to ask you is does this only occur with WMP--what about Win Amp or
    Real or some of the other media players?
    I also experienced intermittent choppiness with some of the internet radio stations and emailed them and they attributed that to server problems and said it would be corrected and it was but recurred once in a while with those sites. And I understood whatever was precisely the cause, it reflected lack of a steady feed when it happened.
    So are you getting choppiness at 56K, 28K on different media players?

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Hey Bruce, the throughput is exactly the problem. The speed you select tells the stream server how fast you think you can receive data. If your throughput can not keep up with the rate at which data is sent or the data is not sent fast enough you'll get the choppiness. Unfortunately, all you can do is experiment. Try the tweaks at NAVAS - that site is full of good information. I've forgotten - you're not running a PC that is marginal hardware wise for XP are you? WMP is a pretty big load on a system.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    <hr>you're not running a PC that is marginal hardware wise for XP are you?<hr>
    No, the unit in question is relatively new with no substandard components.

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Bruce--
    What became of your "choppy shound" problem? Music is important--I think its amazing how much music with accompanying pages of information I can use while working on my computer (one of my favorites is WQXR 96.3 The Classical Station of the New York Times) which gives you it's whole program schedule and what's playing now and the program schedule is hyperlinkable to a ton of information and links on the composer and the piece) but to the point--did you fix your choppiness? I understand it's a through-put or a streaming bottle-neck somewhere fromt he server to your dial-up modem, but I would have hoped Navas and some of the really good modem tweaking sites I've seen could do more than tell you there are a myriad of factors impacting--that it could help you solve the problem and I am curious as to the solution.

    Thanks,

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    Re: Media Player/Radio Tuner (XP Home)

    Frag ~

    Navas had some great information and I did attempt the recommended tweaks for my Lucent Soft AMR and various initialization strings, but nothing helped at all and in some cases it grew worse.

    There is some great music around the world on the 'net and will be missing out, but to my dismay I have chucked the choppy Radio as I've chaulked it to the throughput and the quality of lines in this area. Back to boring local broadcast drivel and MP3's. <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15>

    Thanks for all your great help and research!!

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