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    Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    I had more trouble than I should have learning to put links in posts and am learning to use the <span style="background-color: #FFFF00; color: #000000; font-weight: bold">Markup tags</span hi> available to me--I've wondered if I can do it manually better than "grab" the tag because once I click on the tag, I'm not sure how to "insert it" but I'll get it. Lief's posts in a couple different places were really helpful. So my first question is about how to grab--I see the square with the possible "tags" but can't seem to then click on my "text box" for posting and get the appropriate tag in there. Should I see the =signs and brackets and what would be put in manually after I click the tag and then click the place where I want it in the "post box?" (Right now I use the squares to tell me how to type in manually to get the desired color or bold font or highlight).

    I can't seem to do that or does the instruction mean to click on the tag to see what you manually have to enter--i.e. click on the tag to see what you have to manually type in rather than that the tag will help you automatically confer the "markup look" you want.
    I have been wondering about this and would appreciate the persepective. The Help distinguishes Markup used in the Lounge from HTML--is it a specific type of Markup language or one just adapted to work well in the Lounge?:
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    Can I use HTML in my posts?
    No, it's too dangerous, but you can use Markup instead.
    Here is a list of the Markup Tags available for your use. (there are also one-click TagPanels to aid easy insertion)
    We also have a huge collection of Smilies, again with 1-click popups. In IE you can insert them exactly where you want them. Other Browsers put them at the end...
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    Is the <span style="background-color: #FFFF00; color: #000000; font-weight: bold">"Markup"</span hi> being used in the Lounge instead of HTML a lot like it? Does it use a lot of the same rules and conventions, and is it a specific markup? What I mean by this question is that I don't have a background in HTML--I will have to learn it, Frontpage, and other tools later if I want to learn to make decent web pages I suppose, but I am interested in "reading up" on the Markup used here. I googled but of course I got a hits on all kinds of Markup languages--and I know the "M" in HTML is for of course, "Markup." Lief's posts have been a great help and I had just put a question on Screenshots somewhere else--should have been here--and came here and saw the thread on screenshots.
    What I want to know besides the answer to my first click question is what kind of "Markup"
    is used in the lounge? Is it a "homebrew" that Aileen and perhaps a number of others made for the lounge or is it very much like HTML. If I can figure this out, I can then grab an<span style="background-color: #FFFF00; color: #000000; font-weight: bold">HTML For Dummies book</span hi> to get a better understanding of it or find the right tutorial somewhere on the web--then even if I couldn't master clicking the tags I could do this better manually. Thanks for the tips Lief--they are helping me along with linking. I was keeping links out because I couldn't make them happen.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    The mark-up is the square-bracketed coding displayed in the Markup Help. The 1-click tag panel is an assist, and is not required to use markup.

    For the most part, the basic markup, such as bold/italic/pre is the same as HTML but with a change in brackets. The links are a bit different, but very easy once you learn them. You can do a left indent with a UL and no LI, just as you can with HTML.

    Are there any particular capabilities you are finding difficult (or having difficulty finding), or are you wishing for a Rosetta Stone of Lounge Markup. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    Markup HELP says it all.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    Dave--
    I understand it's very complete, but I'm just trying to figure out if the tags are more than click on reference guides and since so many people on this lounge have web design, HTML, XML experience and I don't know if this is based very closely to HTML and I guess a look at some books will give me the answer.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    You don't need to know *anything* about HTML to use our Markup. You are making it all too complcated. All you do is click your curser in the textbox to mark the spot where you want to insert the tag (or highlight the words you want the tags applied to) THEN simply click the chosen tag in the TagPanel. That's it! We do the rest...
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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    *Hovering over* the tag, pops up the tooltip telling you what it will insert. *Clicking* the tag INSERTS it!
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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    I see you managed to get back to English!

    For just such occasions as this, when the Flagbar isn't on screen, I've put a Flagbar Toggle shortcut under the MenuBar. If you rember its position, you'll be able to click it from any language to get to your display preferences and switch on the the Flagbar. Then simply click your flag.
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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    Thanks--
    Everytime someone reminds me of something learned long ago and forgotten, I am thankful that now I have a box that will let me Revisit the Rosetta Stone and now I can study the Study the Rosetta Stone Text.

    I followed Lief's tips and finally got the hang of what must be frightfully simple to most people manually. What I wondered is that when you click on the markup tags, if there is anymore that they will do besides showing you how you can manually type to get the particular effect you want. Since, I don't know any markup languages, it occurred to me that this "model" must be based on HTML or similar and I was just wanting to know if it is close, then if I could get a much clearer understanding of how to do it and how it works by getting a beginner's book or tutorial on HTML. I also wasn't sure what was meant by the statement that <font color=blue> "HTML is too dangerous"</font color=blue>--if that meant that there was too much room for error, or it could create some other kind of problem--and that's my lack of knowledge of HTML and markup languages showing. But the fact that you can type symbols, words, and punctuation marks and make colors and shapes show up is very interesting and a lot of fun. Maybe I have the faintest glimpse now of what web designers get to do with all their language and fancy programs. I am a little confused by the <font color=blue>"page.htm"</font color=blue> in the URL in Lief's helpful post, <font color=blue>98472</font color=blue>, but that's just probably that I don't understand the functional parts of a URL well enough. I'll keep working with them. At least I can click on a tag and find out what's manually required to use.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    Thanks Aileen. That's what I was trying to figure out and not the first time what's intuitive to a bell shaped curve has taken me lots longer. I was able to use Lief's tips on a couple threads to at least manually hyperlink, then I used the cues from the hover to figure out how to at least color the words, and for some reason I must have been clicking <span style="background-color: #FFFF00; color: #000000; font-weight: bold">the tag</span hi> first and then clicking into the text box and that's what gave me trouble I think--sorry for trying to overcomplicate it--but being new to any type markup--just the fact that you can use symbols to hyperlink and color got me interested enough to pick up HTML and Web Design Tips and Techniques.
    I need to learn some HTML vocabulary and to understand a little about how it works anyway. Thanks for finally helping me figure this out--hopefully I can learn to use the other tags. Thanks for all the work you do here and the time you spend.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    Eileen--at the risk of sounding like a kid who has seen a very cool new toy--this is the first time
    I have been able to glimspe the "power" of some of the things a markup language can enable you to do and the fact that you can type simple letters/symbols to make these images makes me want to try to understand better how it works. I guess a basic HTML for Dummies type book would be the place to start. It's not just the "how to" but the "what makes it work" that I want to find, and maybe eventually I will be able to learn to use some of the web designing tools like Dream Weaver or possibly something more basic.
    I still am trying to understand: 1) Did you all devise this Markup and these tags to work for this board based on HTML or some form of SGML language 2) I am trying to understand what this means 3) Do you know what interesting mechanism automatically switched me to Chinese
    descriptions and buttons without my going to switch the language?
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    Just trying to learn here. What's "too dangerous" about HTML that is causing the Markup that you all have made to use rather than HTML. I'm trying to understand some of the differences that prompted your choice.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    You *must* have clicked something.

    If you want to talk about HTML then you should do it in the Web Design, Coding and Scripting. HTML is very powerful and can wreak havoc if not controlled. Markup is simply derived from a subset of some safe HTMP tags, devised by the originator of wwwthreads - the program we started from - and expanded over the years to meet our special needs.
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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    In a board for discussing HTML, it is great that HTML is not "live" and is just reproduced as text (although sometimes, it does get converted). So we can say, to create a link to the home page of Woody's Office Portal on your web, site, use this code:

    Woody's Domain

    rather than having to do something incredibly complicated! Web sites that don't have their own markup language make this basically impossible because it could be used to hijack the whole board.

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    Re: Markup Used in Lounge vs. HTML, XML

    Thanks much Aileen and Jefferson--
    That's what I was trying to learn. Just seeing what the Markup can do on this board has really pushed me to learn more about at least HTML and to definitely learn to use some web design applications even if I never make a web page.

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