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    Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    Sometimes, when connecting to a web page, there is a looooong delay before I can see the page.
    I expect that this is due to the copying of Macromedia Flash into the temproary directory and then asking me if I wish to install Macromedia Flash.

    I will not install Macromedia Flash.
    Is there any way that I can prevent the downloading of that file, and subsequent request to install Macromedia Flash.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    If you disable ActiveX, the browser will tell the server not to bother sending you the file. Problem is, often the "skip animation" link is inside the animation itself. (Web designers who do that need a good dope slap.)

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    My concern with disabling ActiveX is whether that will prevent me from using sites such as banks and online vendors (for ordering).

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    It depends on the site. However, I am not sure that many banking or on-line vendors use ActiveX for ordering. I would suspect that Scripting is more likely involved than ActiveX. The only way to know is to give it a try. You can always add sites that you wish to order from to your Trusted sites zone.

    Additionally, for ActiveX you can separately choose to RUN programs and controls that you already have, or to DOWNLOAD new controls. If you want, you can disable downloading new controls, but enable running the ones you already have. So, if you don't have Flash, it cannot run.

    Lastly, you can get even more sophisticated:

    1) Set the Kill Bit for the Flash ActiveX control so it cannot be called upon by IE.
    2) Install Flash, but rename the control (swflash.ocx) so it cannot be used.
    3) Prevent your computer from ever reaching Macromedia.com so that Flash cannot be downloaded.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    I guess I need to find documentation for all this stuff.
    I pay little attention to IE.

    I will never voluntarily add any site to the list of Trusted sites, I don't even trust me, myself, and I.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    Try setting it to prompt for a while (or, as I do, all the time) so you can see which sites ask. I get it mostly from "rich media" inline advertisements, and am happy to say "Nope."
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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    The image above demonstrates exactly how to set these up so that no new ActiveX Controls are downloaded -- but you can still run the ones you have if and only if you answer YES to the Prompt.
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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    Howard, it's so prevalent that you really can't escape it. You could stop surfing the web entirely, or accept it as a fact of life, although neither of those options may appeal to you. At least it isnt' spam in your inbox; you get Flash by hitting the Internet. Spam comes to you regardless. Sometimes, we gotta take our lumps and Flash appears to be one of those for you. In my experience, even over a 28.8 connection the vast majority of Flash enabled sites provide you with a means to get out of the animation or select a non-Flash version altogether. The Flash ads that are starting to appear are so small as to be harmless.

    Why so concerned with Flash anyway? There are far more serious breaches of security and misuse of technology that take precedence over Flash.
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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    I don't see any image.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    Because its my choice as to what non-essential software I will voluntarily install.

    Iinstalled IF 6 SP 1 earlier this evening.
    The readme m,entions something about Flash 5.0, so maybe MSFY is now installing a Flash wannabe with IE 6.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    OK, I'll try that.
    I already require prompting for cookies.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    I understand that - but you missed the point. Quite simply, it's everywhere, and you can either avoid it by reducing your browser's functionality severely, or just accept it as a fact of life. No one said you have to like it, and I myself don't - but I can't change the world, so I don't expend the effort fighting that battle.

    It's kind of like the laws in any country or municipality; they might not be right and sometimes you get the shaft. But what are you going to do about it? One person that disagrees with a de facto standard isn't going to change it, although you certainly have the right to boycott it. Problem being with the INternet, you can't tell until you visit a site whether Flash is there, so your choices are further reduced.

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    > Problem being with the INternet, you can't tell until you visit a site whether Flash is there, so your choices are further reduced.

    Well, this assumes you are too lazy to write your own browser. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    But seriously, it is sad that we tolerate the indignities heaped upon us by Internet Explorer. I'm still annoyed that File|Properties... doesn't show the date the page was last updated (you have to plumb the Document Object Model). Or that you can't accept/reject cookies based on the source (e.g., not from the main page you loaded). There are things MS should have copied from NS 2.12.

    It wouldn't be that hard to write a "front-end" to IE that would pre-fetch pages and sniff them according to your specifications. But finding the time...

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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    Howard, the image is "above" in jscher's post. ;-]

    IE has contained Flash as part of the installationfor a long time (IE3?? or at least IE4). Did you uninstall it at some time, or has it always been there? Certainly the new version of IE6sp1 has Flash incorporated into it.

    Mark, I must agree with Howard and disagree with you on this aspect. I NEVER want to see a Flash ad -- and I never do. I have what I consider a 'full' Internet Experience without getting pummelled by cutesy, in-your-face Flash ads. I have listed several ways to accomplish this goal. i can list several more, but that is not necessary at this point.

    If you want Flash ads, fine, keep them. But there are MANY options to get rid of them and still have a fully functional browser. Getting rid of Flash ads certainly does not qualify as "reducing your browser's functionality severely" -- in my book.

    If you want to:

    1) keep ALL ActiveX functionality in the Internet zone EXCEPT Flash
    2) prevent IE from ever calling upon the Flash control
    3) still keep Flash on your computer

    Then all you need to do is perform a surgical strike and set the "Kill Bit" for Flash. To do this, just create the correct registry entries and set the CompatibilityFlags to "400" -- like this:

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    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESoftwareMicrosoftInternet ExplorerActiveX Compatibility{D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000}]
    "Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400

    For information on doing this, please read this. You don't have to accept all the junk web sites want to throw at you.

    Howard, if you are worried about the time being wasted downloading the ActiveX control from Macromedia.com, then set up IE to NOT download ActiveX controls at all -- see jscher's image.

    If you want to SPECIFICALLY prevent Macromedia from downloading Flash (or anything else), you could place Macromedia in you Restricted sites zone (and fully disable this zone), or you could go so far as to completely block your computer from *ever* reaching Macromedia by sticking www.macromedia.com in your Hosts file set to a loopback address (127.0.0.1).

    You have SO many options, there is no reason why this has to be a problem... IMHO.

    jscher - "Or that you can't accept/reject cookies based on the source (e.g., not from the main page you loaded)."

    This has been an option ever since IE5 Security Privacy Beta, and it has always been in IE6. Go to Tools | Internet Options... | Privacy | Advanced. See image below.

    IE6 cookie control is even FAR more complicated than this -- and I would gladly get in a lengthy discussion about its capabilities -- but they are certainly not designed for the average user to control... My quick word of advice: Avoid the "Privacy Slider" like the plague.
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    Re: Macromedia Flash (IE 6)

    My point is that I refuse to voluntarily install any uneeded software.
    I don't need flash because I don't care about what it does and it is irresponsible for any script writer to waste my time downloading the files and asking me if I wish to install. If anything, they should be asking first, then downloading.

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