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    Accent Marks (2000)

    I am a proofer by day (programmer by night, grad-student at all other times). At work I have to use MSWord. Now we have a little problem.

    One of our users has a document with a 40 page English-Chinese glossary. Each entry has the English phrase, Chinese characters, and the Chinese pronunciation in English letters with accent marks. Some of the accent marks can be found in the Garamond fontset, the problem is getting them to appear properly. For three of the accents (macron [-], grave ['], acute[`]), we have found all five vowels with accent marks above them. The other one is called caron and looks like an upside down carot [^]. No Garamond vowels have it. It exists by itself.

    Can anyone help me with any of these possible solutions.
    1. Insert the caron by Unicode number into the document (U+02C7).

    2. Convert the Unicode number to an ANSI equivalent so I can enter it with an ALT combination.

    3. Related to the above solutions, I can get carons on the screen using Insert->Symbol. However, I need to combine it with a vowel to make one character. Something like typing "?" backspace "!" on a typewriter to make an "interobang".

    4. A font editor that will let me specialize some of the Garamond characters we never use so they are vowels with carons. (of course, then we would be the only ones who could print the document unless we distribute the fixed font...)

    5. A keystroke combination (like CTRL+'+[vowel] for grave) that will put the caron above the letter.

    6. A special Garamond font that has all the vowels with the proper accent marks. We *cannot* change fonts away from Garamond (this would have the same limitations as #4).

    Let me just say that #3 would be preferred.

    Thank you.
    Frank Luke

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    I went to the Unicode Character Map (located in Accessories on my computer), looked up font Garamond, subset Windows Characters and found the unicode equiv, which appeared in my text when I tried it.
    Alt 0226 produces

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    Check out this longish thread: Overstrike a character (Word 2000/SR1). There are a couple of different options for overstriking the characters, and then a couple of different way to store the results. Does this help?

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    WooHoo! That did it! I tried all the options in that post and found that using the Equation Editor worked best for this doc. Now, I have to write about twenty macros (five vowels, four accent marks per vowel) and/or keyboard shortcuts to make this easy for the whole 40 plus page doc. Some of the vowels already have the accent marks in Garamond, so I'll just make shortcuts for them. Thanks a million.

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    If you use the equation editor, your texts will always be tied in Word, you can't easily use them in any other program.
    Also, since you need to use the characters very often, the file size will probably increase a lot, and working with large documents will get slow.

    I'd use regular (Unicode) characters.
    If you already found all characters except those with macrons, here they are:
    ǎ = U+01CE (Alt+462 in any dialog box like "Find/Replace")
    ě = U+011B (Alt+283)
    ǐ = U+01D0 (Alt+464)
    ǒ = U+01D2 (alt+466)
    ǔ = U+01D4 (Alt+468)

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    just saw that you are limited to Garamond, which only has the e with macron.

    You could use the spacing macron &#x02C7; = U+02C7 that is included in the Garamond font to build the other characters with macros:
    <font face="Georgia">Sub aMacron()
    **Selection.TypeText Text:="a"
    **With Selection.Characters.First.Previous
    ****.Font.Spacing = -.Font.Size
    **End With
    **Selection.Font.Spacing = 0
    **Selection.TypeText Text:=ChrW(&H2C7)
    End Sub</font face=georgia>

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    Oh my, Klaus, that is very slick. I would, however, be nervous trying to support it across an organization. When you position the insertion point at the beginning of the a, all the letters you type stack up on top of one another (this does not happen if you position it just prior to the previous character and press the right arrow key once). I think for the casual user of this amazing "negative spacing" trick, it might be a bit confusing.

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    Do you mean the EQuation field? Those are stable. In earlier versions of Word, Equation Editor objects were known to cause document corruption on occasion, so I don't recommend them.

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    Agreed; but as someone who has to convert Word documents to other formats a lot, neither the equation editor nor {eq} fields seem too appetizing, either.

    Hi Frank, if you can change to a font that contains the characters with macrons (that is, the subset "Latin Extended-B"), I'd do that. Maybe you find an acceptable font at Alan Wood's site, for example Caslon, Thryomanes, Palatino Linotype ...

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    Re: Accent Marks (2000)

    Yes, I'm sorry. Insert->Field, etc. I use that for the caron and found all the other accent marks with shortcuts. My coworker (the one who will now be editing the 40+ pager) said she hates me for figuring it out.

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