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    Re: Numbered Lists in Word (97/2000/2002)

    Sorry, but I'm not impressed <img src=/S/frown.gif border=0 alt=frown width=15 height=15>

    Their main point, that the build-up of list templates can't be avoided in either Word97 or Word2000 simply isn't true.

    In Word2000 if you have SR1 installed, and apply a registry fix
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...b;EN-US;Q241581
    simply saving will get rid of the surplus list templates (the same as it does in Word2002).

    With Word97 including the newest patches, it works the same way.
    As far as I know, the relevant patch was wdac97.exe.

    Quite a bit of the rest isn't accurate, either:

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    Re: Numbered Lists in Word (97/2000/2002)

    <img src=/S/compute.gif border=0 alt=compute width=40 height=20> First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to read our article! This one was a bit more difficult to write considering you cannot find ANY information out there regarding List Templates! But through sweat and tears and all the testing, we learned a TON!

    Here are some comments to your concerns on the article. Hope this helps!

    - Simple bulleted lists and simple numbered lists usually don't use a list template. But if you restart a simple numbered list, it's changed to a outline numbered list with a list template behind your back. The same can happen if you use a simple numbering in a style (because styles need a list template to link to the numbering).

    ~ Oh Contraire! Here is a small test that proves that simple single list numbers will add a List Template to your document.

    1. Create a blank document.
    2. Go to the VBE and in the Immediate Window, type the following line of code:
    ?ActiveDocument.ListTemplates.Count
    This will give you the number of active List Templates in your document. Which, with a new document, should be zero.
    3. Next, navigate to Format > Style > List Number
    4. Choose to Modify > Format > Numbering and choose a numbering scheme for your list style
    5. Ok through all of the dialog boxes to get you back to your document
    6. Go back into the VBE and repeat the steps above to get the number of active List Templates
    You should now have one List Template in your document.

    - Restarting a list doesn't create additional list templates if you do it right (with the selection collapsed; if you have paragraphs selected, it does create a new list template).

    ~ That is why we added the line " if you do it right "... If you properly restart a single list numbering paragraph, it does not create a new List Template. If you incorrectly restart your numbering, you may add a List Template to your document.

    - The explanation of the List Galleries didn't help much. It doesn't really say that the List Galleries only show a rather random selection of the list templates that have been used lately (and are stored in the registry if you quit Word), and the default list templates (that are defined in some dll), and that this selection may at any time change without notice (the list templates playing "musical chairs").

    ~ We will consider updating the article to expand the information provided above after testing and researching the statements.

    - The article doesn't tell you how you can safely use numbering, nor does it cover the real problems (in special that manual restarts get lost if you copy/paste lists between documents).

    ~ This article was written to give information regarding List Templates, NOT correct numbering. Yes, they are obviously closely related, however, we have other documents on our web site which describes proper numbering. Also, if you read any of our other articles, you will see recommendations to NOT copy and paste between documents.

    Regarding Word 2002 and List Templates... Word 2002 does NOT necessarily remove excessive List Templates from your documents. We have found that the build up number of List Templates has to reach 450 or so in order for this Word 2002 feature to kick in.

    Cheers!

    ~ Erin

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    Re: Numbered Lists in Word (97/2000/2002)

    <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15> Sorry about my obvious lack of diplomacy. There I go shooting my mouth off gossiping, and the author is standing right behind my back.


    Considering your points:
    > ~ Oh Contraire ....

    My previous post said that using simple numbering (or bullets for that matter) in a style does create a list template, which is just what your example demonstrates.
    Applying simple numbering or bullets from "Format > Numbering and Bullets" doesn't (until you restart such a simple list). Sorry if that was expressed a bit wooly.


    > Regarding Word 2002 and List Templates...

    As you say, saving in Word2002 will remove excess list templates once they reach some magic number. So it will in Word97 and Word2000 with the proper fixes and updates (including a manual registy change).
    The article says that saving in Word2002 "unburden[s the document] of any List Template build up", and doesn't mention the fixes for 97/2000.


    Numbering in Word is a mess, and your article does a good job to clear up some of that. Probably no single article can manage to cover all the ground (and not even John McGhie's often-quoted, lengthy Word's numbering explained claims to -- and is still declared a "draft" by the author).

    I'm no expert on numbering. Hopefully the feedback helped ironing out a few wrinkles, and didn't offend you.

    <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16> Regards, Klaus

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    Numbered Lists in Word (97/2000/2002)

    Edited: <!t><!/t> and <!t><!/t> tags added around the URL to make the link live. -Mod.

    Here is a link to a really wonderful article from the Microsystems website about List Templates in Word. It's not an easy read, but it contains first-rate information on this difficult and often problematic and annoying topic. Personally, I think the Microsystems website is one of the best sources of information on Word problems anywhere.

    http://www.microsystems.com/PDFS/ListTemplates.pdf

    Lee Morgan

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    Re: Numbered Lists in Word (97/2000/2002)

    I visited microsystems at http://www.microsystems.com/PDFS/ListTemplates.pdf site and used the VB code found there to find out how many list templates were in a document that DeltaView was unable to redline for us. There were 30! Now I don't know what might be considered too many list templates but in my opinion, for a document that had a reasonably simple outline numbering scheme, I would say that was 29 <img src=/S/fanfare.gif border=0 alt=fanfare width=31 height=23> more list templates than we should have had! So thanks for this posting.
    Patricia

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