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    XP SP-1 (home)

    With all the comments re: SP-1 troubles and insights how do we newbees find out what's installed in our machine? We have auto update enabled, and it does occasionally.

    Additionally, if I have to reinstall XP HOME sometime do I have to go through all the updates since the first install?

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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

    If you open Control Panel, then Add/Remove Programs, you'll see in the list all the Hotfixes that have been installed so far, assuming you haven't yet installed SP-1. After you install SP-1 most, if not all of that list will go away because they're included in SP-1.

    "In case of reinstallation" is the reason I ordered the SP-1 package on CD rather than downloading from the web. You could then reinstall the original XP, followed immediately by the SP-1.

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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

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    If you re-install XP & then SP1, then all PRIOR hotfixes will be included in SP1. (this assumes that you downloaded or have the full SP1 CD) Any additional hotfixes that are dated after the release of SP1 will then show up as new hotfixes, when you go to the WIN XP update site. I had 28 hotfixes prior to SP1 and have had one new one since the release of SP1.
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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

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    Hi Ladimer--

    If I understand Al correctly, and from other posts let's say for whatever reason you did have to reinstall XP Home or Pro --then you wouldn't have to worry about individual updates along the way prior to SP1 because SP1 has incorporated them, and that's why you'll see them go away on the Ad/Remove Hotfix list.

    I have also noticed that if you get the Microsoft Security Bulletins, and they have confirmed that for me the other day--it will offer patches/hotfixes before they make their way to Windows Update and I have seen that happen again and again. The newsletter can be emailed to you from Microsoft Security's Site, and it is often offered in other of their newsletters.

    One thing that is confusing to me, but I think I understand, is that some patches will come after SP1, but will have been already included in SP1. Here's what I mean by this. I got a Security Bulletin last week dated October 10, this one, and overlooked this very clear note:

    __________________________________________________ _______________________
    Notes:
    "The fix for this issue was included in Windows XP Service Pack 1, and in Internet Explorer 6.0 Service Pack 1."
    __________________________________________________ ________________________
    So, mistaking that I needed to do it, I downloaded, but couldn't run it's patch executable. I know now it wouldn't let me install because I already had it. Usually you'll get a dialogue box "do you want to replace?" which I have gotten when I have confused a patch I already had but didn't remember I got or missed in my downloads folder but this time this dialogue box didn't show up.

    I called Microsoft and they routed me to an Outlook Express specialist and he had me email him the Security Bulletin, and then said he would send me the patch even though I'm not using MIME parsing and had to learn what it means. But I could have gotten a message using MIME parsing he said. Then I read on the lounge that I didn't need it because SP1 had it--as the note I missed said.

    If you say downloaded SP1 tomorrow for your XP Home, and then a month from now wanted to wipe and reload XP Home again, then you would have to get SP1 to get all of those fixes.

    One of the things I wondered about and Al or someone else might want to chime in, is that if you did that a month from now, then put SP1 on, you would still have to take care of patches ir fixes that came after SP1 was released on Sept. 9, 2002.

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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

    Viking--

    I'm pretty clear on that; and I suppose that this is always the way with SP's whether for Office or Windows--is that from SP to SP--say Win 2000 has three, and Office now has two, that in the interim you get the hotfixes, they show up on Add/Remove, and then when and if the next SP comes out it will include all the patches/fixes in the interval as well as some new ones.
    I remember someone posted in the lounge or I saw on MS's Win 2K site an explanation of SP's and I think that's how it works and it sounds obvious. It threw me a little when I missed that the last Outlook Update security patch was included with SP1, and then when I tried to download it I didn't get the usual dialogue box that I already had it, did I want to replace the file I already had with the same thing. I think Why Service Packs are Better than Patches covers this.

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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

    Tnx for replies. I did what you suggested with Add/Delete. There are some 20 entries for "...XP Hotfix (SP1) [see xxxxx for more]" Nine of them had their sizes attached. From what you've said if SP1 was in place these Add/Delete items would go away in the process of installing SP1. Not so?

    I have the XP upgrade CD, and used it for the upgrade from ME (ugh!). Was all that thrashing after 'install' the SP1 upgrade?

    Or what?

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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

    Unless you have a very NEW machine and the OEM has rolled in SP1 to their install copy, you do NOT have SP1. Also if you look at your System information (Winows key+Pause/Break key) and you have SP1 installed it will be listed.

    You must get the SP1 from Microsoft, it can be ordered on CD or downloaded. I would get the CD.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: XP SP-1 (home)

    Hey Ladimer--
    I am glad your upgrade is in fine. System Information is a helpful place--you can also in 2 seconds hit the Windows +r key and bring up the run box and put winver.exe in it, and immediately a box will come up and tell you what you have. If you have SP1--it will say twice on the second line when it names the version. I think SP1 is being hyped a little much and frightening some people away and suspect from some of the posting on the MSN groups that a number of things attributed to SP1 are driver and conflict/problems totally unrelated.

    If I were you, I would download it if you don't have it--try it for a while. Make a backup and set a restore point before you download it. If anything bothers you, uninstall it--it won't take long--then you are back where you were.

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