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    File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    I searched for a thread I thought was in the Lounge where Mary Jane or Eileen--can't remember which one--mentioned a folder within the OS which can help you preserve icons or make icons stick. My go around is to right click the bland "e" and explore all the dll folders and the drive folders and system 32 folders--those will stick and so far I have found a few hundred--and the idea came from Windows XP for Dummies p. 246 by Woody. A number of other thick XP Tweak or Inside Out Upside Down and Backwards books don't touch this great tip.

    You can search the C Drive, any folder including your download folder, all the System 32 iconnettes and dll's and harvest a few hundred icons--I have a list of about 50 places and growing--it's hit or miss with the System 32 dlls but when you hit you can come away with as many as 150something icons that stick.

    I have seen the Reg Hack where you change the MaxCachedIcons string to multiples of 2048 which has never worked for me so my "go around" is to troll for icons as I said above.

    I want to find this file/folder and modification that MJ or Eileen suggested--just can't search the tip down--and also wondered why at random times when I shortcut a thread to the desktop, I sometimes get Lex to ride along--I have Lex riding to my desktop today, and other times I can't get Lex to come and just get the bland "e." I'm thinking it's something other than whether Lex is happy with me or in the mood to jump to the desktop. Also if I make a folder to store my WOPR saves --saving as *.mhtl always works better with a higher percent of web pages for me--I've posed that--and no one is sure why--if I tuck Lex into my WOPR folder, sometimes he and other icons of shortcuts I put in there stay for a long time, and other times they don't.

    Tucking into the folder somehow confers immunity from the loss of the icon sticking when a refresh or reboot comes along. I don't know if this is analagous, but some of the people from Microsoft Research have told me they believe tucking shortcuts into My Documents will help save them when you use System Restore. I have seen desktop icons stay and go with Sys Restore, scan/reg restore in Win 9X, Roxio Go Back, and Farstone's Restore It as well as icons tucked into folders.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Leif--

    Thanks--I'll ck. it out and I always learn from your links/posts but now you jogged my memory. I think it was MJ and the folder she told me to work with was called "Favicons"-- or something close--as in Getting your Favicon Folder to Work; What is Favicon.ico? I can't find the thread and can't remember exactly how she said to use "Favicons." Any suggestions? Should I search for this folder? Is it in a Windows or System 32 Folder or subfolder of an "Icons" folder in them? Thanks for making remember I was supposed to be able to operate with the favicon.ico folder to help make the icons stick--now I gotta figure out how.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    A search on "favicon" here in the Lounge throws up many threads including this one.
    Favicons are used by websites such as this to replace the "E" - if you delete your cache you need FavOrg to make them a bit more sticky.

    (There are a number of threads here in different Forumscovering different aspects of their use - I'd try searches here for "favicon" and "favorg" and "iconforge" to pull in most of them.)

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Thanks Leif. I'll get the threads and some sites down on favicon.ico--by "a bit more sticky," I take it you can't make them cling and never let go--"my grabbing them from the Rt. click/trolling" give me access to "permanant stickiness" with the many icons I find there.

    But what it won't do is allow me to make some of the interesting icons that come from websites stay as shortcuts.

    That's the kind of modification I was hoping to make using Favicon.ico; and I'm still trying to figure out the mechanism which sends the Lex icon to my desktop to try to save sometimes, and then at other times when I shortcut a thread from the lounge instead of the nice green Lex I get the bland "e." I wish I knew why that is. Does anyone know? Thanks for hooking me up to the threads and the sites. Your first link made me remember.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Hi defrag
    <hr>I get the bland "e." I wish I knew why that is. Does anyone know?<hr>
    Sure.....you're using Internet Explorer!... <img src=/S/duck.gif border=0 alt=duck width=23 height=23>

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    One will lose ALL favicon icons when the internet temp files are deleted unless they are saved as stated in the threads linked above.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Dave--
    By "favicon icons" does that mean some function of favicon's folder or some code in a file that is cleared when you clear temporary internet files gives them the temporary ability to stay or temporary stickiness. I am trying to understand what being favicon icons allows to happen that keeps them until clearing the files loses the favicon icons. I need to understand the meaning of being a favicon icon and how to keep an icon a favicon icon. Is the registry string change in multiples of 2048 in the tips books aimed at increasing some specific icon cache that allows them to stay favicon icons--and I guess the third party programs above help that to happen by modifying the registry or in some other way.
    What makes something a favicon icon? Favicon isn't a term I see a lot. What interests me is that these favicons don't just leave when you clear TIF's--they will often go quicker than that if your desktop refreshes, or if you reboot before you clear the TIF's.
    The icons I troll for within Windows from the System 32 folder, the Programs folders, the downloads folder, or the Windows folder that are favicons don't go--they are available to
    change to and they are permanant--Lex is a favicon I undertstand, but one thing I wanted to ask is why do some favicons not even survive shortcutting to the desktop--what I mean is sometimes from some sites the favicon will sit on the desktop for a while--other times from the same site, WOPR being one, you'll never see it in the first place. Why is this?

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    I understand the origin of the "e" okay Ken--but I'm trying to figure out ways to keep from losing the favicons which I understand the website or company promoted will design. I can change the "e" to a choice of around 800 icons I can troll for within Windows that Microsoft had designed for them--I can get a small number of the "favicons" which were included in downloads if they ended up in my downloads folder or in an application that was downloaded.

    It's the shortcutted favicons I can't hold onto and I'm trying to change that. If I fish for one of the several hundred icons that are included in Windows, nothing will clear them and they stay forever from the second I exchange the "e" or the manilla folder icon for them. I'm trying to find a way to keep the favicons that are shortcutted from websites.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    The favicons files MUST be saved in a different folder and the the link change to the new path. One may even need to change the file name so you can have more that one favicons. These files are downloaded to the users internet temp folder, so when one deletes these temp files the favicons are also deleted.

    Make your own "favicons" folder, move copy the "favicons.ico" to this folder, then right click the link in the "Favorties" listing, select Properties, and then the "Customize" tab and the the "Change Icon" and browse to the folder and file that you just copied or moved.

    There is NOTHING in the registery that controls this other than the path, which you will change by using the properties.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Thanks much Dave--

    It would have taken me some time and searching with the favicon sites to figure this out. I suspect some of the third party apps that deal with this do some of this. It'll be great if this saves the favicons for me. I have a good time with the little diversion of picking up the "Windows intrinsic icons"-- my name from the stashes that have them like C:WindowsSystem32moreicons.dll; pifmgr.dll; progman; shell32.dll;
    hticons.dll; ProgramFilesMicrosoft Office2002Office10MSE7.EXE--I have about 60 of them now and there are more.

    Do you know, understanding how to save the favicons, what it is about these folders that I can find by right clicking and changing the icon that allows them to automatically save when you get them--is it that they are protected by having their own icon folder to reside in and automatically windows points to them as the new target when you select them?

    What I mean is--is their simularity between the way they behave--and what you have just taught me to do--are even are they functioning by the exact same mechanism as you have just shown me with making a favicon folder and a link?

    Do me a favor and right click an icon/properties/change icon/browse and if you move the slider on that system 32 folder that's there by default where there are pictured icons--and many without pictures that stash icons.

    I just want you to see where I am getting the intrinsic windows icons that automatically save so possibly you can teach me the simularity in what you are showing me with favicons and these or the diference. You could also go up to the top of that dialogue box and use "Look In's" drop down or drop up to go to drive folders, program folders to harvest other icons that will automatically stick. I am trying to compare/contrast what you have shown me with the favicons and what happens with these intrinsic Windows folder icons so I can understand why they "automatically stick."

    Thanks again for sticking with me--I have wrestled with holding onto favicons for months and I should have researched it better.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    A favicon will ONLY be saved to the temp folder IF the webmaster selected to use them. They are controlled by the webmaster, the ONLY control you the user has is, NOT deleting the temp files and/or saving them and relinking them.

    Now the Windows ICON are a complete different story. I do not use any thing but the defaults for my Windows Explorer. I have NOT found any third party SW that will do anything better in Explorer, so I do NOT waste my time and/or money trying.

    Having had to trouble shoot a system with the ICONs for different files changed from the defaults and the owner did NOT know what program was used to open these files was a real pain in the <img src=/w3timages/censored.gif alt=censored border=0>. Yes, I had to turn on the extensions so I could see that that funny frog was a "doc" type, and the smilie was a "jpg" and etc. These tricks and third party SW are a real pain.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Thanks for the clarification. Not trying to badger you; appreciate the help in getting this straight--but those icons I am retrieving from Windows XP or any other flavor--the idea I got from Woody's book when he listed "places to look for icons" and just started hitting up every folder for the surprise that some had some colorful icons--and there are plenty more serious problems but I am trying to figure out the circumstances that confer permanance on those icons--I wanted you to take a look at a few of them and if you could tell me why if you change the icon to say one of the "progman" or "moreicons.dll icons" from the System 32 folder that will come up if you click on the "pull up" in the "change icon dialogue box" and select these folders and then click on icon from them which will become the new changed icon.

    Thanks if you can shed any light on the permanance of these "intrinsic Windows OS icons" that you can change to.

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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Hi defrag

    Perhaps there is something in this article that might help. It suggests FavOrg to do the job. These are links to PCMagazine
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    Re: File/Folder that helps preserve icons and Lex

    Sounds to me like one of those undocumented MS tricks. Perhaps XP automatically recognizes most other MS icon addresses and can accept them as defaults.

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