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    Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    In my "styles" dropdown list there's an item called "default paragraph font." I can't get it to change via Style|Edit or by designating my preferred font as the "default" font in normal.dot. What ifs the function of this style, and how can I manipulate it?

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    Herb Silverberg

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    You use this to reapply the default paragraph font to a paragraph that has had manual formatting applied. (The short cut to apply it is Control-Spacebar).

    It is also useful as a starting point for other styles.

    StuartR

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Stuart:

    Thanks for your response. My query apparently was unclear.

    I know what to do with this style, but I want to CHANGE the font shown in that style from Times New Roman 10 pt to something else. I NEVER EVER want to do anything in TNR 10 pt for the entire rest of my life. I am highy familiar with editing styles, but Word97 will not let me change this style to my preferred font (Revival 535 BT 12 pt). Why doesn't Word let me change it? How can I do so?

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    Herb

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Please see <!post=Post #90171,90171>Post #90171<!/post> and the lengthy thread starting with Post #89522 from last November.

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Thanks, JScher. For some reason I did not find this thread when (trying to be a good citizen) I did a word search. I have read the entire thread.

    Like one of the other threaders, my problem is that despite the wisdom of the lounge masters, TNR10 occasionally pops in during an edit completely unbidden -- most often during footnote work.

    It's counterintuitive (to say the least) that something that claims to be TNR10 really isn't TNR10; this TNR-popping-in phenomenon is real. The font changes and the style window on my tool bar says "[superscript a]default paragraph font" instead of normal.

    Finally, it's hard to imagine that this can't be hacked somehow.

    You or another kind lounger were kind enough to send me a VB script that changed the effect of the "footnote reference" style, which is also preceded by a superscript a. When I click the button for my custom-made macro it makes the footnote reference one size in the text, and another size in the footnote itself, contrary to the "built-in" behavior of the style, which insists on making them the same size.

    Like whomper, all I want is that things never jump automatically into TNR10. Guess I just can't have it, from what I read in the thread.

    Herb

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    I think the key thing to resolving intermittent problems is to keep detailed notes on when they seem to happen, and to save copies of problem documents in a special folder for future reference.

    Because Word documents are OLE containers rather than text streams, they do get corrupted. When templates get corrupted, they spread the problem to all new documents based on that template. Sometimes you literally have to start from scratch (new, blank Normal.dot used to create a new template) to be sure it's not structural gremlins in the template. Even then, there may be problems in Word 97 that survived 3 service packs because they were too difficult to solve!

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    I understand and agree. Thanks for caring!

    Herb

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Hi Herb:
    In Word 2000, I seem to recall that 12pt TNR is the default (but I'm not positive). Nevertheless, if you want to prevent 10pt TNR from "popping up", there are several things you need to do:
    1. In normal.dot (& any other template that you create), you must go through each style to make sure it isn't 10 pt. TNR. The reason it will pop up in footnotes, endnotes, etc. is because these styles are 10 pt TNR out of the box. Even changing the normal font to something else won't change it. i.e. you must check each style in the document or template.
    2. You need to APPLY all the styles in the normal template (& other templates) so that they appear in the "styles in use" list under Format/Styles.... Both Jefferson & Klaus have provided macros that will cycle through all the styles, applying them (can't find them right now). The reason that you must do this is that otherwise, pasting text from other documents whose styles are 10 pt TNR can "create" that style in your document. This can happen EVEN if you don't paste a paragraph containing that style.

    For example, create a new template & notice that Footnote Text style is normal+. Change the default font to 12 point. Footnote Text will now be normal+Font: 10 pt. Create 2 new documents based on that template. In the first, change the Footnote text style to 8 point, but don't have any such paragraphs in the document. Now, using the normal style, create more than 50 paragraphs. (just use rand()enter & press F4 until you get a lot of pages). Copy & paste these "normal" styled paragraphs to your other document. You wil find that the Footnote Text style in the second document is now 8 point, not 10. What this shows is that when you paste numerous paragraphs from one document to the next, you copy all "used" styles from the first document that haven't been "used" in the second document.

    3. You must search for & replace the default styles in "winword.doc" (& winword?.doc , where ? = earlier versions that might exist). Why? Because when you create a new file on the desktop by right clicking & choosing New/Word Document, that document is NOT based on normal.dot. It is a copy of winword.doc (you'll find it in the Windows/ShellNew folder.
    4. Any new template you make based on "normal" using File/New will NOT be a copy of your current normal.dot. It is based on factory defaults, meaning 10pt TNR will be it's norm (or 12 pt. if that was the default).

    Even if you do all this, documents created before you've modified your templates may contain styles using 10pt TNR.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Phil, I don't think I posted a solution applying all styles. The behavior you describe is disturbing and irrational. As bad as the Phont Phunnies Woody described in Word 2.0b (p54, Hacker's Guide to Word for Windows, 1993). Oh, well, someday they'll get it just right.

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Hi Jefferson:
    Your right. I checked & Klaus posted two solutions. i.e. he improved on his first one. The improved version is found at <post#=169683>post 169683</post#>.

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Phil . . .

    Thanks for the effort you went through to help me "solve" this problem, and to Klaus for the macro. I may give it a try over the New Year's break, despite the counter-intuitiveness of being required to change all styles, but being unable to :change" the one "style" that's causing the problem.

    I'm curious about one part of your post -- the one that says that if I create a file on the desktop by using Right-click|New|Word Document it's not based on normal.dot, and same re templates based on "normal" using File|New:

    Does this warning apply to creating files and templates under the WOPR97 method of creating new templates and files based on them, or does that, too, behave as you described? (I'm referring to the feature of WOPR97 that lets me create individual templates so that I can select them from a customized menu via WOPR97.)

    Thanks again,

    Herb

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Hi Herb:
    Shhh, I haven't used WOPR97. <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15> However, I would think that what you describe is merely a way of putting a macro on a menu that creates a new document based on any one of several templates. When you create a new template, based on a "blank document", that new template is based on the defaults for normal.dot. For example, it will not create a new template that contains the autotext that is found in normal.dot. You could probably verify this behavior by creating a new template with WOPR97.
    Cheers,

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Phil --

    I promise -- your embarrassing secret is safe with me!

    We klunkers out here are truly grateful for all the help we get from folks like you, even though we're sometimes crabby that not even you guys can deliver us a perfect world. Your patience with us borders on the truly amazing.

    I can't repay you with with the same kind of expertise you make available here, but I do practice law almost as well as you practice Word. If you or any of the other wizards have questions about employment rights, civil rights, coping with government regulatory matters, or the like, feel free to ask.

    Warm regards,

    Herb

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    Re: Default Paragraph Style (97 latest updates/patches)

    Reading this thread with interest, I wondered: is this problem related at all to the one I experience? - Namely, that if I have some text (either on the page or in a text box), and I cut it to the clipboard, then do "paste as picture"... it often pastes as a "picture of some TNR text" even if my cut text was in Arial (which it usually is).

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