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    Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    Hello;
    I have an intranet with many webs/subwebs (sorry, can't provide links to examples). I'm using the same custom theme for the entire site.
    Recently, for seemingly no reason, the font size has changed. I have the body font set in the theme to Verdana, Regular, 10pt, yet pages are suddenly displaying a font of 12pt (size 3 vs 2).
    I know it isn't the browser's font size setting, as they show up that way in FrontPage, and I've reset the font and resaved the theme to no avail. Now, every web I open in development is showing the larger font and when published, it shows up in production.
    I've rebooted the dev server, which hasn't helped, and cleared temporary files. I even went through all the css files in the theme's folder (we're applying the theme "using css") and can't find any entry that conflicts with the default font set in the theme. <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>

    Please help!

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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    I have absolutely no idea what has caused your difficulty, though on a personal note I'd be all for 12 pt over 10 pt text (Just getting <img src=/S/granny.gif border=0 alt=granny width=20 height=20> ).
    In support of my comments - check out point 4 in http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20021223.html.

    Seriously, in troubleshooting - have you tried opening up the website with FP on a different machine? There are so many variables here, narrowing them down will be the big problem.

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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    Thanks for the reply, but I finally (after days of trying everything else) tracked it down.

    We're using tables to force a page width (corporate policy - thou shalt have a 760 pixel-wide page), and somehow the "table" font setting went missing in my theme. I put it back in and everything's OK now. Of course, now I'm interested in how it went missing in the first place........ <img src=/S/thinks.gif border=0 alt=thinks width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    Interesting.
    Right now, I'm using css for table effects. It's been interesting to set up - but once its in place, I'm hoping for more robust/flexible pages.

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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    <hr>I'm using css for table effects<hr>
    Care to elaborate? <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/jollyroger.gif border=0 alt=jollyroger width=29 height=18>
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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    You know, of course I'm using *interesting* as a euphemism for something else <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>.
    If you take a look at http://tivm.bioford.ca you'll see it "in action". The css allows me to get a layout like this. What's even nicer, in newer versions of IE and Netscape - the top menu stays in place as one scrolls down. As always though - making it work in a wide variety of browsers is a pain. And I must admit I haven't tested with everything - just everything I could get my hands on! <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>. I found it useful to look at it in an old (version 3) version of Netscape - confirming that when the browser didn't recognise css I got a very plain web page - with legible text!

    But you are doing some css work yourself - what have you learned?
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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    One thing that I learned was that I didn't want to control table formatting through the use of CSS - I find it much better to use SSI (Server Side Includes) to construct the basic page format, and then control smaller details through CSS. For example, table and table cell backgrounds: I can create an include for the page header, the body, and finally the footer. To change the page layout site-wide, I simply include a different file that has different CSS formatting applied. Table widths are static and do not change.

    I'd be more inclined to use JavaScript to float page elements as users scroll, because I don't think many bother with scrolling. Admittedly the designs I work with are fairly controlled, with the exception of my personal site, but my family doesn't bother with visiting it often even though it's mostly for their benefit. <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15> On the brighter side, I'm the family support geek, so if something goes wrong, i can upgrade them to the browser of my choosing. <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>

    In addition to Netscrape 3, Mozilla and Konqueror on the Linux platform render pages quite differently than in IE. I haven't added Mozilla 6 to my test bed on Windows. Unless I get bamboozled into designing another site that requires compatibility, I limit my support to IE 5.x and up and soon, Mozilla. Netscape 4? I know people are using it but I'm kind of rude when it comes to that: upgrade your ancient browser, because I don't want to code around its inconsistencies!!
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    Re: Theme font (FP2000, SR-1)

    SSI would be great, for now I don't have enough input over my web server to set those up. And I agree that a combination of SSI and CSS is the way to go. I have great hopes tho' that as time goes on we'll be able to do more and more with CSS. Remember at one point - tables were revolutionary!

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