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    NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    OK, I have been doing fine and can't seem to find out for sure whether or not I should be using NTFS instead of FAT. When I first put this computer together a year ago there was some discussion about NTFS not being ready for prime time. I use some utilities which I was not sure would work on NTFS, like Norton System Works 2002. While I do have a remote drive running off a firewire card that I use to do backups to and formatted NTFS, I have two hard drives that are still FAT32 formatted and don't know whether to change or not. What are the pros and cons on NTFS. While I do have three computers on my home network, mostly sharing a cable modem through a router, I don't do any real fancy sharing, just synchronizing information on occasion. Is there any particular site that has information on this and any programs which won't work with NTFS? Thanks in advance.

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    I'm not sure but it seems like you can't use a floppy drive with NTFS also. And you can convert to NTFS from Fat32 But you can't revert from NTFS back to Fat32. My understanding is that with NTFS it gives you some options to password protect files an such. think it's more for the high end user such as Domains. Also I think you gain more space with NTFS. But I personaly can't see the reason to change unless you need those things. But thats just my opinion, for what it's worth. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    The primary purpose of NTFS is security. In XP Pro you will gain a few more features when formatted NTFS that FAT32 cannot provide. There are also some performance gains made in NTFS for HD with a capacity above 32GB. Once you convert from FAT32 to NTFS, you cannot convert back. Formatting to NTFS fresh is the preferred and stable method recommended and less prone to system crashes.

    For further info, please visit these posts:

    FAT32 vs NTFS;

    Conversion to NTFS;

    Upgrading;

    NTFS vx FAT32 (XP PRO);

    Fat 32 vs NTFS II;

    and this M$KB article regarding
    Limitations of the FAT32 File System in Windows XP.

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    <hr>Once you convert from FAT32 to NTFS, you cannot convert back.<hr>
    Well, that's not entirely true. You can't do it using the native tools in XP; however, you can convert file systems interchangeably with Partition Magic.
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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    NTFS is ready for prime-time, certainly. It's been around since the early days of Windows NT and is a mature, robust platform. You will not be able to boot with a DOS floppy disk and read the system files, so if working with a command line is something you want to have, it isn't a good idea. Winternals makes a product called ERD Commander which will give you command line access to the file system, handy for dead systems - but at $399 USD it's not much of an option for anyone at home....it's intended for network administration.

    If you convert the file system, it will be heavily fragmented. Although conversion failure is a rare event, it does happen and you could lose data. As Bruce noted in his reply starting fresh with NTFS is a much better option.

    Microsoft pushes the option while installing XP. NTFS is fault tolerant and will ensure the integrity of your data, but think of it as buying a product with extra features that you don't use - disk quotas, file system security, et al. NTFS does make more efficient use of your drive's space because of the cluster sizes but that comes at the price of increased overhead needed to maintain the file system....but I'd wager <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> that the difference between FAT32 and NTFS is not discernible during normal use unless you need the extra features it provides.
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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Yea__What he said! <img src=/S/clapping.gif border=0 alt=clapping width=19 height=23>

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Mark, the Sysinternals folks have a free read only NTFS driver for DOS.

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Bruce interesting discussion.

    I have owned a system running XP Home for about a year now. Since purchase I have never been able to use the floppy drive, not hat I use it al lot. Had the system back to the vendor they say there is nothing wrong with it.

    I noticed the other day that the system was running under NTFS and I did wonder why. All has now been revealed!

    Is there a work around, other than reformatting, to get the floppy working?

    The worked around I have used is to create a network with my work laptop and copy files across that way. Sometimes it would be more convenient to just copy to floppy and bring that home.
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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    There should be NO problem in running NTFS and using a floppy drive. This has been done since NT hit the streets. If you are NOT able to use your floppy drive I would say you have hardware problems. NTFS applies ONLY to hardrives. You can NOT have a NTFS on a floppy, CD, Zip and etc.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Dave

    Thanks for your prompt reply.

    I do have other issues related to speed. When I click on the Windows Explorer icon in the taskbar, or any other program icon, my system takes about 30 seconds before explorer opens. I have been through Windows optimisation sequences and this has improved the speed only a little.

    Any ideas?
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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    What all is running?
    Give us a screen shot of listed in your "Task Manger".

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Also Phil, since you have a slowdown and an apparently inoperative floppy drive, it makes me wonder. Are you running an antivirus program and is it up to date? Or a spyware checking program? Just wondering if there could be a snake in your wood pile.....

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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Thanks Al and congrats on your recognition.

    I am running NAV which is updated weekly either manually or through a utility program called BigFix. Also, installed and ran a program called SpyBots recently. Boy did that find some snakes!

    I connect to the internet via a modem so am not online full time.
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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Dave

    Sorry I didn't get back sooner but the problem is on my home machine.

    Can't see anything in Task Manager that could be causing a problem.
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    Re: NTFS (Windows XP SP-1 home)

    Phil, here's a "stretch" for ya! Elsewhere in The Lounge recently, we discussed this but I didn't bother to search it out. This is worth a look, even if you're not on a network. Open the registry editor and search for two backslashes ( ) to see if per chance your machine is looking for something on a UNC path every time you click a shortcut or open Explorer. In earlier versions of Windows this used to happen to people with the A: drive and some MRU list causing unwanted seeks of the floppy. My boss had the UNC problem and his slowdown went away.

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