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    Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    Currently Internet Explorer's history seems to show activity in My Computer and other folders. IS there any way to just get it show history relating to activity online? I'd like to keep Internet Explorer activity and Windows Explorer activity completely separate.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    I don't think this is possible. IE and Windows Explorer are intertwined excessively...

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    It doesn't surprise me - though wasn't there some court case about Microsoft not integrating the operating system with their browser? Whatever happened to the talk of splitting up the Microsoft Empire? I don't suppose there are any simple registry tweaks to sort this out?

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    Not that I know of. What you are actually talking about -- I presume -- is the "AutoComplete" function of the address bar and not really the "History" folder.

    While IE gives you the option to turn off AutoComplete for Web addresses, Forms, Passwords, and User names (Tools | Internet Options | Content | AutoComplete), I don't know of any spot in Windows Explorer that allows you to do the same thing for items on your own computer.

    That being said, there MUST be a way to "flush" the Explorer AutoComplete list -- and I suspect this list MUST be stored in the registry. However, my first guess is that it is stored in the Protected Storage System -- which is a little daunting to mess around with... Perhaps someone knows this answer...
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    I finally had a few seconds to look into this. It appears that AutoComplete in IE will give you drop-down choices from each of these places:

    1) Your History folder (URL's you have recently visited and stored in your History index.dat files)
    2) Previously Typed URL's (stored in your registry under "TypedURLs").
    (Full name: HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftInternet ExplorerTypedURLs)

    Those two are likely the ones you WANT Internet Explorer to offer you, but it also seems to give you choices from:

    1) The "My Computer" folder.
    2) The "Desktop" folder
    3) The "Favorites" folder (only the main folder -- not the sub-folders like "Links")
    4) The contents of the "Folders" Explorer bar (the narrow left window pane).

    <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>Test these out:

    1) Any "Drive letter" you type will appear, but so will Printers, Control Panel, Dial-up Networking, and Scheduled Tasks.
    2) Stick a new file named "qqqqq.txt" on your Desktop and type a "q" in the Address bar.
    3) Start typing a link in your Favorites folder and watch it appear in the Address bar.
    4) Click the 'Folders' Explorer bar button and drill down into an obscure folder. Then start typing the name of one of the listed files in the IE Address bar.
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    Those appear to be the main sources of the AutoComplete entries -- there may even be more that I did not find, but on a quick look those stood out as obvious.

    Now, you would like IE to only suggest items from the History folder and the TypedURL's. I am not sure of any way to selectively disable the other entries. Certainly they are "Windows Explorer" functions that have been carried over to IE -- and yes, I believe MS is supposed to be separating out the browser functions from the OS -- but at least in IE6sp1, these functions still exist.

    There are two boxes under Tools | Internet Options | Advanced for "in-line" Autocomplete. Some people claim these can be used to 'restrain' AutoComplete. But, I believe "in-line" refers to the AutoComplete functions 'appeding' letters on to what you are typing and not the items in the drop-down lists.

    Furthermore, despite what some sources report, I cannot seem to get IE's AutoComplete to give me options from these places:

    1) Previously typed Search or Find words.
    2) Commands typed into the Run box.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    The last entry is not a fix but, despite a few distractions, <font color=blue>this thread</font color=blue> perhaps may shed a little light on the subject & help sort a few of the 'features'.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    It does, in part. It seems to be addressing the "Save As..." dialog box more so than the IE Address bar -- but I believe the situation is the related and relevant.

    When you open a "Save As..." dialog box, I believe Windows checks the folder that you normally save items in (usually My Documents) and looks for matches. When it finds any, it offers you choices as drop-down items.
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    Now, something does not jive with my theory above -- the registry key Mark points to at the end of the thread (NoFileMru) makes it sound like there is a stored "MRU" list for the Save As... dialog box. Since you could not find this list, I suspect it is stored in encrypted fashion in the "Protected Storage System" in your registry. If it is encrypted, then searching your registry for the names will be a futile gesture.

    The benefit of storing this in an encrypted fashion is that each user's Save As... list would be different (user specific) and one user could not easily determine what another user recently saved.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    Hi, R2 ~

    No, the 'NoFileMru' does not store for the 'Save as...' dialog. The 'Save as...' dialog only pops up for filenames pre-existing in your directories. That was the source of some confusion on my part in that thread in the beginning and has nothing to do with any 'Inline' or 'AutoComplete' storage despite the appearance of an 'AutoComplete' feature and thus the drop-down box as you referenced and subsequent confusion.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    Gotcha. But the "MRU" name is confusing. "Most Recently Used" generally implies items that have been, eh, recently used. Most MRU lists are stored somewhere -- almost always in the registry.

    So... the fact that the registry value Mark points to is "NoFileMRU", it certainly sounds like Windows is calling this an MRU list. Gee, this would not be the first time MS confused their own terminology.

    Funny, I just tried the 'Save As...' box several times -- and I never get a drop-down list! This is Win98SE -- so perhaps this function was added later??? Don't know.... Thanks.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    If one was to look in the "Cocuments and SettingsUserAccountRecent" for each account you will find the listing for the MRU for each user account.

    As for "almost always in the registry", well they are NOT in the registry, just the setting as to how many to display.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    That folder does not exist on my machine! Maybe that is why I don't have the 'Save As...' autocomplete drop downs. (Clearly that folder path would not exist on most Win98 boxes).

    Interesting. Are you questioning my statement about "almost always in the registry"? Do you doubt that? Look around. Try to find the Excel MRU's, the Word MRU's, the Run MRU's, etc. If you are finding them somewhere other the the registry, I would be VERY surprised! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt: please let us all know where most of the MRU's are kept. I await your answer. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    'Cocuments and SettingsUserAccountRecent does not exist on any of my machines with Win98, XPH or XPP. Can you please post a screenshot of this path in one window with the tree view in left pane and list view in right pane?

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    I suspect that the "User Account" name he has listed is that long funny number that WinNT-XP gives its users, and I also suspect you are also aware of that -- but just to make sure...

    I find Dave's report exceedingly interesting. This is also very counterintuitive. Certainly, leaving an MRU list out in the open for any user to see is NOT a very secure method. That means every user can likely look into the "Recent" folder of any other user and see exactly what they were working on last! Not good. Clearly hiding this in the registry encrypted in each user's Protected Storage System is a far superior idea for a company pushing "Trustworthy" computing... <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    OK, all sarcasm aside, I believe I know what Dave is talking about. He is referring to the 'Recent Documents' folder that is the collection of shortcuts that you see when you click Start button | Documents. I always thought that was the stupidest name in the world. It usually does contain a link to your My Doucments folder, but the bulk of that list is shortcuts to ANY type of file that you Recently used.

    This truly must be kept as a folder holding shortcuts and NOT in your registry -- becaue the Start button needs to offer you shortcuts to each of the recently used files. However, I believe this folder -- and therefore likely the registry value given -- has NOTHING to do with the 'Save As...' dialog box. And that was really what you were referring to, wasn't it?
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    Interestingly, I tried to get Excel98 to give me an AutoComplete list -- it does not do it automatically. I have BOTH "inline AutoComplete" boxes checked in Internet Options | Advanced. HOWEVER, if I simply hit the down-arrow, I DO get a list of choices. Notably, these do NOT have the same first letter as what I am typing, and they are NOT the same as my File menu MRU list!! Additionally, they do not represent all the files within the opened folder -- and the CERTAINLY have nothing to do with my "Recent Documents" folder. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    Obviously, they come from somewhere OTHER than the standard Excel MRU list. I am not sure where they come from, but again, my guess is the registry. Is THIS the type of 'Save As...' list to which you are referring??
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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    I think you are right, the 'Recent Documents' is a collection of shortcuts that are not tied to MRUs necessarily. I have the 'Recent Documents' feature diasbled.

    The 'Save as...' dialog box does not directly relate to MRUs, AutoComplete or Inline 'features'. I have the AutoComplete and Inline disabled as well. The 'Save as...' drop down box appears with file items that already exist in the directory in which you are attempting to save beginning with the letter with which you key in within 'File name' area as indicated below. The more you type, the smaller the drop-down list becomes as it narrows down.

    Your drop-down list does not appear to be in an obvious order and how they come up when 'c' is entered escapes me, but I have been unable to determine a direct registry connection.
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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    I think my weird drop-down findings are different because they are not really the usual AutoComplete type of results. But, I am not sure WHAT they are! They do not appear on their own (I have to hit the down arrow) and they are NOT simply items in the open folder. I realize what I have pictured is completely different from what you have pictured.

    If your list is made up of items in the open folder, then it sounds like the WinXP Explorer shell is making the list up "on the fly". Then you are correct -- there may be no MRU list involved. The shell could simply query the contents of the given folder and then present the list from that data.

    There may be a method to prevent the shell from making these names drop-down -- but, since I am NO expert in WinXP, I am not aware of it. Win98 does not seem to work the same way. If the list is compiled on the fly, then there is likely no way to "trim" this list -- it must be an all-or-nothing response.

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    Re: Too much history (IE 6.0 Win XP PRo SP1)

    R2 is correct, "UserAccount" is YOUR account name(s).

    Normally these folders can NOT be seen by others except for those accounts that have "Admin" permisions and/or if the file sharing has been turned on. One needs to read up on "file sharing" and the "Admin" permissions, this is where a GOOD semi-advance book will come in handy.

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