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    Startup Disk

    Would someone who has Win98 SE (or even Win98) please check their startup disk (assuming you've made one) & tell me what text entries you have for msdos.sys?

    I have my msdos.sys file set up fine (finally, thanks to Rick <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>). It has the following entries:

    [Paths]
    WinDir=C:Windows
    WinBootDir=C:Windows
    HostWinBootDrv=C

    [Options]
    BootMulti=0
    BootGUI=1
    DoubleBuffer=1
    AutoScan=1
    WinVer=4.10.2222
    logo=0
    BootMenuDelay=5
    LoadTop=0

    ;
    ;The following lines are required for compatibility with other programs.
    ;Do not remove them (MSDOS.SYS needs to be >1024 bytes).
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxa
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxb
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxd
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxe
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxf
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxg
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxh
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxi
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxj
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxk
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxl
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxm
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxn
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxp
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxq
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxr
    ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxs

    However, when I create a startup disk, either by going to Control Panel/Add_Remove Programs/Startup Disk OR if I go to a DOS window & type "Bootdisk" (w/o quotes)

    I end up with a startup disk that contains an msdos.sys file that has one entry:

    ;sys

    Is that normal?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Startup Disk

    This is what my Win98 Start Up disk has on it. I only see one. 3rd up from the bottom on the left left. 19KB
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    Re: Startup Disk

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by Phil Rabichow on 01-Mar-03 17:27. to add sentence before thank you.)</P>Hi:
    I notice that there is no msdos.sys file in your attachment. Could you look inside the cab file to see if it's there? What I'm really trying to find out is what is in the msdos.sys file (which is just a special text file). Or maybe you don't have extensions always visible. Thanks again.

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    Re: Startup Disk

    All I see is one that says { Win98 MS-DOS Batch File } and { System MS-DOS Application File } I opened up the cab file and all I seen was tons of Symbols. This is all Greek to me.
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    Re: Startup Disk

    I have those inside my ebd.cab file. That's the type of file. I don't know why there's no msdos.sys file. Well, maybe someone else has one. Thanks.

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Phil,

    I am using WIN98 and have just created an emergency boot disk and msdos.sys is:

    ;WIN98EBD

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Thanks, Preston. I guess that means that my ;sys is not abnormal. I assume that you have your EBD (Emergency Boot Disk) folder in C:Win98. There must be something that tells the startup disk where to look for msdos.sys, but I don't know what. It also means that you can't just copy the msdos.sys file from the floppy to your hard drive. <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Hey Phil, may I ask a question please? What's your perception of what an "emergency startup disk" is supposed to do in Win98? The only reason I ask is that I have what I call an emergency boot floppy, made in Win98SE and its MSDOS.SYS file is empty, nada..... I made this floppy a long time ago, using Windows Explorer to create a bootable diskette. I then deleted the DRVSPACE.BIN file and put a bunch of files on the diskette that I frequently use when I "boot to DOS." I included such files as format, chkdsk, edit, more, and so on. I just about filled up the disk with whatever I could fit on it. The reason I ask is that I never expected a Win98 emergency boot disk to START WINDOWS, only to let me run DOS for whatever purposes. So, I didn't expect to see those lines that are normally included in the MSDOS.SYS file on a Windows hard drive. Have I been operating in the dark all these years and does YOUR boot disk actually run Win98?

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    Re: Startup Disk

    I think Al is right. The msdos.sys file (despite its name) really just tells DOS how to start Windows. There really isn't a need for the msdos.sys file on a disk that boots to DOS.

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Hi Al & Rick:
    I'm the one who's operating in the dark. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> I've never learned DOS; I started with computers when Win 3.1 was the system in vogue. I've never used an emergency startup disk (except the one I created with Backup Exec when I had to restore my system). Basically, I don't really know how to use it.

    I asked this question after I had trouble rebooting & Rick pointed out that it was my msdos.sys file <!post=see post 223792,223792>see post 223792<!/post>. I noticed that when you create a startup disk, either in Windows or using "Bootdisk" at the command prompt, an empty (or almost empty) msdos.sys file is created. I don't know why that would be...either you don't need it at all or it should be correct, right? Somehow, using scanreg /restore had replaced my msdos.sys file with an empty one & I couldn't figure out how to restore it. I had to create the msdos.sys file from scratch in dos & was looking for an easier way.

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Strange. I am going to have to dust off my old Emergency Boot Disks and see what is on them now!

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Yeah Phil, I remember that thread where you had trouble booting. I think the only reason the MSDOS.SYS file is on bootable floppies now is for system consistency. The three elements of "bootability" are COMMAND.COM, MSDOS.SYS and the third file called IO.SYS. As I said, I never use Control Panel or whatever to make a bootable floppy. I just do it from within Explorer, so I thought maybe I had missed out on something, vis-a-vis Windows XP. Most of you probably know that XP now has TWO floppy-making routines that ARE very different! You can use XP to make a bootable floppy, just like before, except that it uses a WinME-like kernel (is that the proper word?). This floppy, like previous OS's will do nothing more than drop you at an A: prompt so you can do whatever. Also from XP you can have it produce a true Emergency Startup diskette which WILL allow you to start your XP OS in a "normal" fashion. I created that diskette and tested it but have yet to need it. I guess it's in case your boot loader file gets corrupt or something.

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    Re: Startup Disk

    <img src=/S/hello.gif border=0 alt=hello width=25 height=29> Hi Phil, is the startup disk the same as a boot disk?

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    Re: Startup Disk

    Hello Big Al, ages back I went to the site bootdisc.com and made a boot disc from that site. Is that all I would need to use if I get into trouble?

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    Re: Startup Disk

    To discuss both of your questions above, Cyberdance, that was kind of what got me started asking the question I did. These days (in the XP era) the terms have possibly taken on new meaning. In prior times, I think most people would agree that boot disk, startup disk, emergency disk, etc. were all terms meaning some type of disk to start your computer from a floppy disk rather than the (normal) hard drive. When you did so, you were in "DOS" and had no access to the Windows xx.x graphical user interface (GUI). Windows XP has put a somewhat new twist on that scenario, since you CAN now make a true STARTUP disk with XP that will run Windows by starting from a floppy.

    As to your other post, I tried to visit the address you listed and it's some kind of e-commerce site and I don't know where you went to make a boot disk. I've never frequented those types of sites (there are several) since I've always made my boot floppy as I described in the earlier post.

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