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    Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    I'm unable to work out how to enable my 2 computers to connect to each other to share files and the Main computer's printer, and to give the second computer access to the Internet via the Main computer's Cable modem

    My configuration is -

    Main Computer's OS - Win2K Pofessional
    Ethernet card Realtek RTL8029 set for BNC/10Base 2 and connected to second computer via coax cable (correctly terminated)
    Workgroup Name - HOME

    Second Computer's OS - Win98SE
    Ethernet card NE2000 Compatible (with TPC/IP connection)
    Workgroup Name - HOME

    I have only been able to get the BNC/10Base 2 connection to talk to each other, but they only swap a few packets between each other as seen on the Win2K computer Ethernet Status display so it seems that the basis connection link is functioning OK

    I have invoked File & Printer Sharing on both computers and when I click on Main computer's My Network Places and click Entire Network I see MS Windows Network, then Home and then my 2 computer Icons

    When I click on the Main computer's Icons I see just Printers and Scheduled Task Icons

    When I click on the second computers Icon I get the error message that this computer isn't accessible, the network path isn't found

    I have tried to work my way through the MS Help files for setting up the interconnection but I can't find the solution #$%^&*

    Is there anyone out there who would be kind enough to spare the time to guide me through the procedure to establish this interconnection

    Thanks in advance

    Max Rieper
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Can you configure both computers to use NETBEUI protocol. If this works we can eliminate lots of possible causes and start investigating your TCP/IP setup.

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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    If the two computers are 'talking', you're in good shape. Set ip addy's and the subnet mask to:

    comp 1:
    192.168.1.20
    255.255.255.0

    comp 2:
    192.168.1.30
    255.255.255.0

    reboot and give it 2 min, you should be able to see the other and share files. Make sure you share out a folder or two on each box.
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Mike

    Thanks for your help but you have assumed too much !!

    I'm a neophyte insofar as setting up networks and also I don't know my way around Win2K very well yet

    Could I ask you to give me a little more of your time and give me some step by step guidance of how to set those Addresses into the Win2K and Win98SE computers

    When I go to the Win2K Network and Dialup Menu where I have created the basic Ethernet link between the 2 computers, and go to the Properties I see in the General window, Client for MS Networks, File and Printer Sharing for MS Networks and Internet Protocol TCP/IP The TPC/IP is set for Auto IP address/Obtain a DNS address automatically

    When I go to Sharing and select Enable Internet Sharing Using This Address, then enter Settings, I have a Blank in Applications and a series of Internet Services to tick !! Which ones should I check to get basic Internet browsing and POP3/SMTP facilties ?

    If I leave the Share Internet selected, when I try to exit I get a message warning me that my LAN adaptor (I presume that that is my Cable modem), will be set to IP address 192.168.0.1 and I may loose connectivity with other computers on the network and I should set them for Automatic addresses

    What should I do ? IP address 192.168.0.1 isn't the same as the IP address you gave me for computer #1

    Then on the other end with the Win98SE computer could you please tell me where I should go to enable this computer to gain access to my Cable modem and thus to the Internet

    Sorry to seem so dumb but I'm into my 70's and ain't so smart any more @#$%^&*(

    Meanwhile

    Cheers n Tears
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Since Mike isn't in Who's Online at the moment...

    Any address starting 192.168 is available for you to use for your own private network. If you use Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing then it will allocate 192.168.0.1 to the system with the Internet connection. You should set up your other computers to "Obtain IP Address Automatically" and the computer running ICS will give them addresses to use.

    One thing that could cause the problem you are seeing is if you haven't rebooted your Windows98 computer since you enabled ICS on the other one.

    To change the IP address of the Windows98 computer you use Control Panel > Network, but let's check your IP address before trying to change it. To find out what IP addresses you are currently using you can type IPCONFIG to a command prompt (in a DOS window). With Windows98 you can also use Start > Run > WINIPCFG to get a windows version of this program.

    If you want to enable NETBEUI for your file sharing (this has the advantage of not needing to be configured) then add it from Control Panel > Network > Add > Protocol and then reboot.

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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Stuart

    I 've invoked the NETBEUI protocol on both computers and they are both showing NETBEUI links to their respective Ethernet cards

    I have set the Cable modem via the Networks & Dialup Conections WIN2K window to Enable Internet Sharing for this connection and when I do a IPCONFIG I see that it has left the Motorola Cable modem address, etc unchanged and it is capable of accessing my Cable ISP OK

    The WIN2K Ethernet card's IP address has become 192.168.0.1 and the Subnet Mask is 255.255.255.0 but it has no Connection specifc DNS Suffix or Default Gateway

    The Upstairs WIN98SE settings in the Control Panel/Networks has the Client for MS Networks set to User Level Access Control & shows Obtain List of Users & Groups from 192.168.0.1

    The Computer's Ident is Upstairs
    Workgroup is HOME
    Computer is IBM Compatible

    The NetBEUI>NE2000 Compatible Bindings has Client for MS Neworks and File and Priner Sharing ticked and the Advanced has Browse Master - Auto and LN Announce - NO

    The Driver Type is Enchanced Mode (32 &16bit)NDIS Driver and the Bindings are to NetBEUI and TPC/IP

    The TPC/IP>NetBUI Settings are -
    Disable WINS Resolution, Obtain IP Address Automatically, Gateway ---, DNS Disabled with DHCP for WINS Resolution unticked, Bindings Client for MS Networks/File & Printer Sharing, NetBIOS over TCP/IP

    The WIN98SE computer is setup for Client for MS Networks with File and Printer Sharing set to ON as is the Main WIN2K computer however when I go to the Network Neighourhood at either Computer

    Both Computer's Icons appear but when I click any Icon at either computer all I see is a Blank folder
    No sign of either computers files @#$%^&*
    Nor can the Upstairs WIN98SE computer access the Internet @#$%^&

    I'm obviously not getting things set up correctly and I'm afraid that you've over-estimated my knowledge !!

    What I'd like you to do, if you wouldn't mind Stuart, is to start from Square One with each computer's setup routine and give me a step by step instruction list

    I know that's asking a lot, but unless from the description of the mess I'm in at the moment you are able to see how I can fix it from my current settings, I can't see how I'm going to be able to have both computers accessing each other's Files and Printers and both having access via the Cable modem to the Internet

    My apologises for putting this on you

    Thanks in advance

    Cheers n Tears
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    > from Square One with each computer's setup routine and give me a step by step instruction list

    I wish I were that clever <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> or it were that easy <img src=/S/brickwall.gif border=0 alt=brickwall width=25 height=15>

    There is lots of information in your post, but I still have more questions.
    I think it will be easiest to try and get the file and printer sharing working over NETBEUI first, then to get TCP/IP and Internet Connection Sharing going.

    Have you enabled File and Printer Sharing on both computers?
    Do you have a username with the same password on both computers?
    Does anything appear in the Event Log of the W2K system at the time you try the connection
    (Right Click My Computer > Manage >Event Viewer - look at the System and Security logs)

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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    WOW Stuart I never expected to get such a rapid response

    Many thanks for your continued interest with my problem

    Now,

    Yes as I said I DO have File and Printer sharing on both computers so how do I get them to see each other using NETBEUI protocol ?

    The WIN2K computer I log-in under my own name and use a blank i.e. nil Password
    The WIN98SE computer the Login shows the name I've given the computer i.e. "Upstairs" as the log- in name, again I don't use any, I just hit Return

    The WIN2K Events Logs has nil showing in the Security log and Error in the System log which reads Service Control Manager
    with the Properties details saying "The following Boot-start or System-start driver(s) failed to load - ochi1394"

    There are 3 other enteries in the log

    One says the the Event log service has started, one Microsoft Windows 5.0.2195 Uniprocessor free, and one says that the Event log service was stopped !!

    I hope that makes sense to you Stuart !!

    Can you help me to get the NETBEUI connection wto work ?

    Do I have to remove the TCP/IP Bindings first, or jest leave them invoked ?

    I'm also confused by your mentioning of "Internet Connection Sharing"
    I couldn't find any Propcol on either OS that is called "ICS"
    Could you please tell me where to go to find ICS ?

    Hope that this is enough details to allow you to tell me what the next steps I should take

    Cheers n More Tears
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Stuart

    Another clue I forgot to mention

    Iam using Norton's Firewall and it seems that the Upstairs computer keeps calling on Port 67 and it triggers the Norton Firewall window to give me to opportunity to allow/disallow this call

    It shows that the application is WINNTSystem32svchost.exe on inbound UDP on boops Port 67
    Remote Address - unknown

    When I start to click through the routine to OK this access, I get to where is says the Address is 0.0.0.0

    Do you know what is going on ?
    By the way what does UDP stand for ?

    Hope that this info will be of further help for you to determine what's going on here !!

    Cheers n Beers
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    I think the most likely reason that you can't get file sharing to work is that you don't have the right usernames and passwords set up. The Windows98 system needs to send a username and password to the W2K system that will be accepted.

    The easiest way to set this up is to
    <UL><LI>Create a password on the W2K system (Control-Alt-Del > Change Password)
    <LI>Then create the same username and password on the W98 system (Log Out and then use the W2K username and password to log back in).[/list]<img src=/w3timages/redline.gif width=33% height=2>
    Change of subject...
    Internet Connection Sharing is the service that enables you to share your Internet Connection from the W2K system to the other one. You started this service by selecting "Enable Internet Sharing Using This Address" on the W2K computer.

    <img src=/w3timages/redline.gif width=33% height=2>
    Another change of subject...
    UDP port 67 is used by DHCP. This is the protocol that enables the W98 computer to ask the W2K computer for an IP address. The DHCP service is part of Internet Connection Sharing and was enabled when you turned ICS on. If your firewall is not letting these packets through then the W98 computer won't get a valid IP address. You still haven' t told us what IP address the W98 computer is actually using (from IPCONFIG)

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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Stuart

    On both computers I haven't invoked passwords to access them
    I just hit Return when they ask for a password

    However if the WIN2K computer requires to have a User set up with the same name as I have allocated to the WIN98SE computer, then the WIN2K computer hasn't got this User set up

    All I have set up as WIN2K Users are the Adminisrator, myself, (my name) and Guest

    Should I change my WIN98SE computer's name to Guest ?

    OR,

    Should I create a new WIN2K User with the name of my WIN98SE computer ?

    If the latter, how do I create this User on the WIN2K computer ?

    AND,

    Do I have to modify the WIN2K's Password to a "Real" passowrd and create the same "Real" password for the WIN98SE computer ?

    OK on ICS !!

    It seems that I've done this by invoking the Cable modem's to ICS in it's Properties/Sharing setup window
    It immediately set the Ethernet card's address to the 192.168.0.1 address as I previously mentioned

    Now in this Sharing window there is a Settings button which has 2 sections, one called Applications, (which is blank but has an Add button) and the other is Services in which I've ticked the FTP Server, the SMTP, and the POP3 squares
    Does an Application have to be "added" and if so what Application should I instal ?

    Regarding the UDP you didn't tell me what this acronym stands for !!
    Nor did you tell me whether or not I should switch on the WIN98SE's WINS Resolution/DHCP functions
    Also what does the DHCP acronym stand for ??

    The WIN98SE computer is set for Automatic Address and doing a WINIPCFG yields the address of 169.254.192.31/255.255.0.0

    Also I've given the Norton Firewall OK to the Por67 calls

    Where do I go from here Stuart ??

    Thanks for you very patient attention to my woes

    Cheers n Beers
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    <font color=blue>What a lot of questions.</font color=blue>

    > However if the WIN2K computer requires to have a User set up with the same name as I have allocated to the WIN98SE computer, then the WIN2K
    >computer hasn't got this User set up
    <font color=blue>I am pretty sure that this is your problem</font color=blue>

    > All I have set up as WIN2K Users are the Adminisrator, myself, (my name) and Guest
    > or should I change my WIN98SE computer's name to Guest ?
    <font color=blue>I would use the account with your name, it may be possible to create the SAME account name on the Win98 PC with no password. I have never tried this and you may need to set the same non blank password at both ends.</font color=blue>

    > Now in this Sharing window there is a Settings button which has 2 sections, one called Applications, (which is blank but has an Add button) and the
    > other is Services in which I've ticked the FTP Server, the SMTP, and the POP3 squares
    > Does an Application have to be "added" and if so what Application should I instal ?
    <font color=blue>I think that this is for incoming connections. I really don't think you should have ticked any of these unless you are offering these services to people on the internet</font color=blue>

    Regarding the UDP you didn't tell me what this acronym stands for !!
    <font color=blue>It stands for User Datagram Protocol. It is an IP protocol used for packets that don't need guaranteed delivery</font color=blue>

    > Nor did you tell me whether or not I should switch on the WIN98SE's WINS Resolution/DHCP functions
    <font color=blue>You should enable DHCP for the Win98 PC (obtain an IP Address Automatically) but don't enable WINS, you don't have a WINS server for it to talk to</font color=blue>

    > Also what does the DHCP acronym stand for ??
    <font color=blue>Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol</font color=blue>

    > The WIN98SE computer is set for Automatic Address and doing a WINIPCFG yields the address of 169.254.192.31/255.255.0.0
    <font color=blue>This is why TCP/IP isn't working. That 169. address is what Windows 98 uses if it doesn't get a response to a DHCP request. So we can be quite sure that you haven't been allocated an IP address by the W2K server</font color=blue>

    > Also I've given the Norton Firewall OK to the Por67 calls
    <font color=blue>Have you rebooted the W98 system after doing this? </font color=blue>

    > Where do I go from here Stuart ??
    <font color=blue><UL><LI>Ignore all the IP stuff until we have a working NETBEUI connection. This will let us separate hardware connectivity issues from TCP/IP configuration stuff.
    <LI>Make sure that you have matching usernames and passwords at both ends
    <LI>Make sure that file and printer sharing is enabled at both ends
    <LI>Make sure that you have actually shared a folder from each computer
    <LI>Temporarily disconnect your W2K system from the Internet and TURN OFF the firewall
    <LI>If this works then turn the firewall back on and see if it still works - then reconnect to the Internet[/list]StuartR
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Stuart

    Sorry to keep hounding you Mate but still no luck @#$%^&*

    I have set the WIN98SE computer to the same user name as that which I log onto on the WIN2K computer
    I have the File & Printer Sharing on at each end
    I haven't been able to share any folders either way withour without the Firewall invoked @#$%^&

    What I do see when I open the WIN2K Explorer and click on the My Network Places/Computers Near Me ?

    I see the name of the WIN98SE computer which is the same as the Log-on name I use for both computers, plus the name of the WIN2K computer, (which ISN'T the same as its Log-on name)

    When I click on either of these "Folders" the WIN98SE's "Folder" is empty and the WIN2K's "Folder" shows just the Printers and the Scheduled Tasks "Folders" !!

    The WIN98SE computer has the same 2 "Folders" displayed i.e. one with the Log-on name and one with the name of the WIN2K's, (which again isn't the Log-on name for this computer), but when I click on either's "Folder', they are both empty !!

    The WIN98SE computer is set for "Log-on & Restore Network Connections", "User level control", "Obtain a list of Users & Groups from 192.169.0.1, Disable DNS - Blank, Disable WINS Resolution - Blank, Enable WINS Resolution - Blank, Use DHCP - ticked, Auto IP Address, Gateway - Blank, Allow Bindings to ATM - No, NetBEUI Max Sessions - 10, NCBS - 12

    the Winipcfg interrogation of the WIN98SE shows an IP Address of 192.168.0.245/255.255.255.0 with a Default Gateway of 192.168.0.1

    Where do I go from here Stuart

    I won't blame you if you cry QUITS !!

    Cheers n BLOODY Tears
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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    > I have set the WIN98SE computer to the same user name as that which I log onto on the WIN2K computer
    Good. Have you also set the same non blank password at both ends.

    > the name of the WIN98SE computer which is the same as the Log-on name I use for both computers
    I think this is allowed, but it is certainly another possible source of confusion

    > the Winipcfg interrogation of the WIN98SE shows an IP Address of 192.168.0.245/255.255.255.0 with a Default Gateway of 192.168.0.1
    This is really good news. DHCP is now working, presumably from the firewall changes We are making progress.

    > Where do I go from here Stuart
    Make sure you have the same username and non blank password on both computers

    > I won't blame you if you cry QUITS !!
    Hang in there and we'll get this working

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    Re: Connecting 2 Computers using Ethernet Cards

    Yes Stuart I have the same User Name amd Blank Passwords for both computers but I can't access either computer's Files from the other computer

    I haven't invoked the Printer Sharing facility at this stage jest the File Sharing

    The score is now Love/40 with you to serve !!!

    Awaiting the next ball

    Cheers n Beers
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    Many thanks fer you tenacity !!

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