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    File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Working on a client's brochure, they gave me a collection of .TIF files for use as art, original stuff, scanned by a big shot agency in Honolulu. They all open . . . for a litle while.So working in Corel Draw 11 and importing files from that collection, I get perhaps three or four and then the file freezes up and I must re-boot. As a precaution, and since I am not online, I disabled Norton Anti-Virus 2002 Auto-Protect during the process.

    Can't see how this is a Corel contribution to my problems in life as importing a file should be an OS function, right? Any brilliant thoughts from this wise and hardy band? <img src=/S/help.gif border=0 alt=help width=23 height=15>

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Well, TIFF files are typically huge. If it's original work from an agency, I'd bet the size is out of this world. It could be that the imaging program is not happy with the size of the image once in memory - although I have no experience with Corel in particular, I know that a few other imaging programs I've worked with choke on large file sizes. Do you have access to another application so that you can see if this is the cause?

    Also, make sure you have plenty of free disk space, and that memory is ample - lack of either will make a big difference.
    -Mark

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Mark,

    Thank you for your valid thoughts. The files range between 2-5mb. As I trudged through the folder of them I was deleting those that didn't fit my needs and, gradually, the problem stopped. That is, though file sizes remained the same for those remaining. The total file size of art in that folder diminished dramatically.

    I remember when recently fighting the the recent XPP/SP-1 wars that one of the problems with SP-1 was that it messed up memory allocation and this may be one of the symptoms continuing in my machine. Of possibly 70 files, I needed fewer than 20. It wasn't known to Corel what I was looking at, at the point the 'freezing' was occuring, by the way. It was instantaneous and a little dialog box popped in saying the file selected couldn't be opened for import and I should try the "open" command. That is OS stuff, I think, which straightened out on re-boot when going back to the same file. But, as I said, as the folder emptied, the problem went away. Curious. <img src=/S/innocent.gif border=0 alt=innocent width=20 height=20>

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    <IMG SRC=http://www.krymow.com/images/pineapple.gif> Hi, Bill ~

    Mark is correct. TIFFs are typically huge [i](

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Aloha Bruce,

    Neat pineapple and how's Dayton? Yes, I think Mark and you are both correct but on the wrong question, if I can be so assertive this Tuesday. That the difficulty stopped was because of a reduction of the folder size, not a change in the individual size of the TIF files. When you are working with pre-press for a brochure you can't use JPG files unless you simply don't care about print quality, by the way. TIF isn't all that wonderful compared to native formats prepared by the various graphics platforms by Adobe or Corel, etc. In my case TIF is what my client provided so I just have to "TIF" it out.

    So if the reduction of the number of files in the folder stopped the problem, what does the application -- Corel Draw in this case -- have to do with the freezing? I've never seen any discussions in XP lore about the size of a folder affecting how the individual files are able to function but that seems to be what happened. This is not an argument, gentlemen. I don't know enough to argue. But my curiosity -- unlike my knowledge -- is bottomless or topless or unbounded or something - huge!

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Bill, it may be that Corel is trying to load a preview of the images in the folder. FrontPage, for example, has a setting that allows a picture preview - and if the file is large, it hangs for a while, eventually responding. It's dependent upon how the application reads the contents of that folder on the hard drive. You should be able to work around this in the future by breaking the files into smaller chunks in separate directories, in which case Corel wouldn't try to read in the contents of the entire folder.

    Were this happening system wide, it would indicate another problem source. Since it happens in one application, from what you have posted, it's likely the way Corel's software is designed.
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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Bill, The reasoning you are using is why it is more likely an application problem. You may have a configuration problem also. How do you have your virutal memory set? Also, with many large graphics files the more physical memory the better. Much about memory usage is dependent on how Corel interacts with XP requesting memory, using memory, processing files in a folder, generating previews, etc.

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Joe,

    Because I have an 80gb hard drive that is 2/3 empty, I let XP handle the virtual memory, as recommended in the setup. So there is lots of virtual memory. Using 256mb physical ram and wish I could get more but, as you may know, Dell memory is expensive and I'm poor.

    Since this thread started and we're all looking for answers, I've been doing some experimenting. I don't have any current graphics programs but do have Version 2 of MS PhotoDraw 2000 which is the latest they offer. If you are familiar with that program you know that it offers "visual open" where each file in a folder shows in a 1 x 1 inch thumbnail for selection. It's instructive that ALL of the tif files from the original folder, the many files provided and none deleted. To my mind that is a pointer to something in Corel. Almost certainly so, in fact, but not exactly the same procedure.

    Corel 11 is -- in its promotional material -- built to work with XP. Mostly it is " very, very good but sometimes it is horrid." <img src=/S/bananas.gif border=0 alt=bananas width=33 height=35>

    I'll send a message to Corel's Newsgroup and if I get a useful reply will post it here to close the circle. It's important to me to know how to work around whatever is causing the problem and I very much appreciate you folks pitching in to help track it down.

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Bill, If your Dell machine does not use Rambus memory you can get additional memory very cheaply. Even Rambus is much cheaper than it used to be.
    http://www.crucial.com is very good. They may be a few $$$ more than some you can find but I've never heard of anyone having any problems with their customer service. Or check out http://www.pricewatch.com for a more complete search.

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    Re: File closing down (XPP SP-1)

    Joe,

    Alas, it is Rambus, PC800 RDRAM. We're having a difficult time right now so more memory must wait. Big virtual memory helps but not as good, of course.

    Thank you for your interest and your help in understanding.

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