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    New Document Types

    I wanted to add an RTF file to the New section of the context menu...

    So I went to TweakUI, and "dropped" an RTF file onto the "New" tab... purportedly to create a new "type"...

    In the past this has seemed to work fine... and does now -- for *some* types. But in this case, I am receiving an error:

    "Unable to copy the file to the templates folder."

    Cannot find a "Templates" folder... and then, what is wrong, and how do I fix it?

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    Re: New Document Types

    Well, it works OK on my Win98SE machine, so a couple of questions: Do you have RTF associated with an app (i.e. Word) in folder options? You are running TweakUI 1.33 aren't you? You're supposed to drag the document into white space in the New area, not the tab itself. Is that what you did?

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    Re: New Document Types

    Al:

    Yes, it is associated with WordPad...(rtf), but that shouldn't amtter, should it?

    If it does, then how do you remove an association? Delete the "Open" choice in File Types? Will the Open command "come back on its own" or will I have to re-define it?

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    Re: New Document Types

    Al:

    Update: I took my Win98 install back to just hardware settings and IE55 (using Norton Ghost). At that point, the RTF document choice under "New" was there, and operative.

    Then, I installed MS Office 2000, and not only did the RTF choice disappear from the context menu, but even more interesting, it is available as a choice under TweakUI, but if I click (select) it, the "Apply" button goes grey!

    Then I "unselected" the RTF choice, and reselected it, and the "Apply" button was active, so I pressed it... and all seemed "normal...

    Till I tried to get a new RTF document again... and it was GONE again!

    What the heck gives here?

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    Re: New Document Types

    I wonder if removing the association between RTF files and Word would make a difference?
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    Re: New Document Types

    Do I, under Win98, "just" delete any commands for the file type that is/are associated with Word?

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    Re: New Document Types

    Yes, I believe that's all you need to do - but I stand to be corrected. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    Re: New Document Types

    Mark:

    You're right... that's all you need do... but then, the "New" tab in TweakiUI doesn't work... says it MUST be associated...

    New bit: using Freedom of Association, (Freedom of Association, v 1.2.0.0, C 1998 Ziff-Davis, written by Neil J Rubenking), if you look at almost ANY other extension (the almost only because I haven't had the time as yet), you have a button that can toggle the "New" option off or On -- EXCEPT for RTF files, where the button is inactive!?

    What started as a semi-minor annoyance is turning into a major "seek and ye shall find(?)",...

    Any news would be appreciated...

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    Re: New Document Types

    Sorry, but I think you and Mark are going down the wrong road, but I admit I'm not sure. I don't know how Windows could create a new "document" of some kind WITHOUT having an application associated with that type of file. I think you should fix your RTF association back to WORD, not WordPad or NotePad. Then let's try again to see where you are with all that AND TweakUI. On my Win98 machine, I still have Office97 and on this XP Pro machine I have Office 2000, so I don't have an exact match for your setup. I invite other Loungers to jump in here and advise if you can.

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    Re: New Document Types

    I think you can NOT open a NEW document as RTF in MS Word. You must do a "Save As" and then it will be a RTF file. That is why it is asking for a templete, the Normal.dot of for "doc" types.

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    Re: New Document Types

    Al Mark/ Dave:

    OK, I re-set the associations to the Offce defaults -- via a Install/Repair -- and STILL:

    The RTF type shows up in TweakUI / New as available after I drop it in the white space... then I "check" it, and that seems to work... then I exit, and voila? -- nope, it's gone from the context / new menu!

    So I guess I'm kinda back at the beginning here (with of course a lot more exposure to the "what ifs) -- but no closer to the mystery of the disappearing file type.

    What does MS Office have against RTF files?

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    Re: New Document Types

    <hr>Yes, it is associated with WordPad...(rtf), but that shouldn't amtter, should it?
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    <font color=red><big>YES</big></font color=red>
    You can open a NEW RTF file using Wordpad but NOT MS Word. You need to keep it set to Wordpad.

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    Re: New Document Types

    There is a lot of confusion here... <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    I think you guys are running into problems because of one little fact. RTF files are really just a variation of the the original .WRI file extension. The .WRI extensions were first used for MS Write and then MS WordPad. As Windows progressed, the .WRI extension evolved into the .RTF extension and it too was originally desiged for WordPad.

    BUT, newer versions of Office like to GRAB the .RTF file and associate them with MS Word. The (Default) value under HKCR.rtf is "Word.RTF.x". The MIME Content Type is "application/msword". The DefaultIcon for the Word.RTF.x file type is Path towinword.exe,1. The shell open command is[ i]Path to[/i]winword.exe. CLEARLY, Word wants to be the program to control the .rtf extension.

    You CAN reassociate it with WordPad, but you need to do a little registry tweaking. Once you have it set up as it's own free-standing, unencumbered file type, I suspect it will be child's play to create the New sub-key...

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    Re: New Document Types

    But, MS WORD will NOT create a NEW document in the RTF format. This is why, when the system is asking for a template to be used,
    there is NONE for a NEW RTF. I have had several people try and show me that they indeed can open a NEW RTF file in MS Word, but I had them really take a look at their screen and it was "WordPad" that they had open.

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    Re: New Document Types

    R2, DaveA, BigAl, and any and all others that contributed:

    HERE'S where we are, and what I've "found":

    Starting from a clean disk, I
    1) Installed Win98;
    2) Verified the WordPad install, and physically set the association of an RTF file type to WordPad;
    3) Verified the New RTF Document type in the Context menu;
    4) Set the file association to a WordPad clone (Cetus WordPad -- has a spell check);
    5) THEN installed Office 2000;
    6) Verified that the RTF association had indeed "held".

    So here is what, in my **humble inexperienced** opinion, I think was happening:

    If you install a Microsoft product (Office) and the RTF association is still set at the Microsoft Windows default ( WordPad), THEN Office will re-assign the file type to MS Word.

    If however, you specifically assign the RTF file type to a non-MS type, then it *should* hold through and after the Office installation.

    Thanks to all for the exhaustive (and exhausting) discussions on this problem...

    I suppose Microsoft is thinking that they know what you really want, and give it to you free, without your even having to ask!

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