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    MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    My mistake was installing SP-1.

    While most -- not all, but most -- of the terrors inflicted on my very satisfying virgin XP were fixed on removal of SP-1, there remains one very bad loss, Windows Movie Maker in the original XP Pro version worked. It was great. The new one -- installed by SP-1 -- doesn't. I've done everything a man can do and it is just one of those Microsoft quirks where their "fix" broke something that didn't need fixing. <img src=/S/aflame.gif border=0 alt=aflame width=16 height=16>

    It took MS support that is usually of the paid variety and a ton of hand-holding from Woody's Lounge to get me back in shape and running at all. My system has never worked as it should -- erratic! -- and the Office XP apps are the worst affected, still!

    The steps taken SHOULD have removed the SP-1 Movie Maker but didn't. The two have very different 'looks and feels.' The new one looks slicker and more complicated. The new 'feel' is that it just doesn't function as advertised. That was, in fact, the first clue that I had on the issue of the "quality" of SP-1.

    Now to the point. Given the sensitivity of this whole matter, how can I use my original XP Pro CD to put my Windows Movie Maker back. Uninstall the SP-1 movie maker first or what? This whole thing made me nervous?

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Thank you for the helpful note. The Windows Movie Maker SP-1 stuck in is Version 2.0.3312.0 so you have the builds to stare at also.

    I'll do the other things you suggest and hope for the best. It's instructive that as part of removing SP-1 -- per MS Support -- I did run the setup from my CD which other, later, MS support folks said was the wrong thing to do (!) That's part of what I'm trying to be careful about.

    Aloha,

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Hello Bill--
    Let's assume for some reason the Movie Maker you have doesn't work. I'm not sure--you tell me if Windows Movie Maker 1.0 was the one that came with SP1 when it was available on Sept. 9 '02 but I believe it wasn't 2.0 yet. Which version of Movie Maker do you have? If the one giving you trouble is Movie Maker 1.0, then upgrade to Download Windows Movie Maker 2.0. I think you have 1.0. If you have 2.0, though I'd do the same thing. Refresh it with another download-- whether it's 1.0 or 2.0, and if you have 1.0 this download will upgrade it to 2.0. I don't believe you'll have an entry for Windows Movie Maker 1.0 in Add/Remove --but I have an entry for feature plug-ins for 2.0. Even if you had 2.0, and it isn't working, there is always the chance you had a corrupted file and you can fix it with the new download.
    Just because the one you have isn't working, you shouldn't deny yourself the chance to get the features of 2.0. So try downloading from the Movie Maker Site. Notice there are a number of mini "tutorials" on the site for using it likeLearn More;
    Be An Expert;
    Connecting Your Camera;
    Planning for What You Want to Capture; Create Home Movies;
    and Paul Thurott's Review of Movie Maker 2 which for me has reasons not to want to dismiss it and go back to 1.0. You probably could refresh whatever movie maker you have with the Windows XP CD by running setup-- but I don't think you need to go there. Just download a new 2.0 and you should be OK.

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    Whatever specific problems you're having with Office could be but probably aren't related to Windcws XP or Windows XP SP1. Make sure you have the latest Office service packs for your version--if it's XP that'd be SP1 and SP2, and I'd take your specific Office problems to that part of the lounge for them where there is a lot of experienced, excellent help.

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Bill, MovieMaker (like Windows Media Player 9 and DirectX 9) cannot be uninstalled once it's present. The only option to roll it back is to use System Restore, but if you've been stuck with it for any length of time, the restore point may be gone. Windows Update specifically states this:
    <hr>After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer. Once you have installed this item, it cannot be removed.<hr>

    There's a thorough review of this at the Windows Supersite: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/wmm2.asp Worth a look, anyway.

    I wouldn't remove Service Pack 1, simply for the security holes that it plugs.
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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Bill--
    I was just trying to figure out if XP SP1 was released on Sept. 9, and the beta for Movie Maker 2 was released on or around November 1, 2002 how your SP1 could have a version of WMM 2 in it? Did they add it to a later version of SP1 or was it a later OEM version of XP SP1?

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Mark--
    If someone is having a problem with some version of Windows Movie Maker 2.0 because file(s) are corrupt, couldn't they help themselves by going to the download site for the latest version of Movie Maker 2 and refreshing those files with the download; and if WMM 1, WMM 1.2, or WMM 2 Beta1 were the version, won't the download for WMM 2 upgrade them to the latest version? That would be a way to keep SP1 and it's security advantage in, without having to reinstall SP1 if system restore would revert to the picture before he had SP1 in.


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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Movie Maker 2.0 is NOT part SP1. See atachment, as you can see I have SP 1 installed but MM is NOT 2.0

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Thanks much Dave for the clarification. I was confused as to how a movie maker later than SP1 could be "included in it." I searched the release notes but didn't see WMM although I did see a fix for a problem in it. Now I know it wasn't.

    I still think that Bill can refresh and possibly fix his files by simply downloading the newest movie maker. BTW, Bill, Version 2.0.3312.0 was the 'Version 2.0' that Microsoft released after their Beta for 2--and if there were versions above the Beta and lower than that--they didn't release them, you won't see them. So you don't have a 'which build of WMM 2 issue' to stare at and worry about. It is a little confusing, but often if they have had several builds of an OS, browser, or application like movie maker, say between a Beta and an RTM, they will give the build released whatever number it is, as they have for Windows XP, IE, and WMM.
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    The way I got this version was to download from the site. I didn't uninstall the previous version which was WMM Version2 Beta 1, and I don't have an entry in add/remove for it--only for some of the various 'plug-in additions' they offer, and there are more of them at their site.

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    It's possible that reinstalling will help, but it's far from guaranteed. And yes, installing version 2 will replace version 1. My understanding of Bill's issue is that he now has MM2, doesn't like it, and wants to go back to the original version.
    -Mark

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Dave,

    With all due respect, this is not the first time you've been wrong. I presume you will next tell me that Windows Movie Maker is not part of XP Pro.

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    SMBP,

    Thank you for that. You've got the same build that I do. And, for those with eyes to see, the build that is included in SP-1 that was downloaded from the MS download page and, you'll recall, which caused a great rift on many systems. This was not an "Update" offering as I recall but might have been. I never made any effort to download WMM separately from MS or elsewhere. <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16>

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Bill, your snide comments about eyes that to see aside - you can't remove it. I've never seen proof anywhere that it was included in Service Pack 1 or 1a for Windows XP. If you have proof to substantiate that claim, I would be interested in reading it, but there is a definite paucity of information regarding its inclusion in a service pack on Microsoft's website.
    -Mark

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Mark,

    You have it right. Your earlier post regarding system restore encourages me to report that the damage done my otherwise well-functioning XPP included wiping out the whole mechanism for restore points. Through two MS Support Techs they were never available again. It's good to keep in mind that the second, more senior, of these two techs said MS is having many reports of the same problems I reported. "Repair," such as it was, invoived changes to the registry and some copying of specific files from my install disk. We never got into WMM, however, as there were more pressing matters at hand, getting the system ready to go to work Monday being the main one. There was extensive reporting of this on slashdot.org where you will find several hundred entries working on the problem under Search "XP SP-1"

    Thank you,

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    Mark,

    That comment wasn't meant for you but there are already several notes here that don't respond to what I wrote -- therefore, "with eyes to see."

    You may be forced to just take my word for it. At 68 with 35 years of computer experience behind me I tend to know where I get things and, in this case, it caused a very intensive problem with my system and my recollection is both sharp and unpleasant. Just so we're clear, there has been a lot of nay-saying about SP-1 and it's unwholesome to question experiences people have on their systems. in a note just above I recommended http://slashdot.org for those who want a broader view of its damage.

    The first MS Tech reached had me re-install XPP and said it would get rid of all of SP-1. He wanted to do that rather than send me the "hotfix"for SP-1 damage which MS offered at that time -- and I don't know if they withdrew it when the widespread problems surfaced. The second tech said reinstalling XPP was an error, that the hotfix was more likely to have helped but his suggestion after we applied all the duct tape was to await SP-2. That may be a long wait so I was hoping there was perhaps some way to fix WMM as I twiddled my thumbs here. The first one was good for making little albums of my grandchildrens' photos.

    I hadn't intended to get into this SP-1 matter again as it's now clear that nothing can be done about it where it harms systems. MS said that, not me. You may be correct that I can't remove WMM but I'll follow the advice to download the WMM Version 2 from MS site and try that. I just checked my download files and it was never downloaded separately. I'll let you know here what the outcome is.

    <font face="Snap ITC">Hawai`i Bill</font face=snap>

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    Re: MovieMaker loss (XPP SP-1 (removed))

    The Slashdot thread of 464 comments regarding SP-1 for XP is available here.
    <font face="Snap ITC">Hawai`i Bill</font face=snap>

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