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    Upgrading 95 to 98

    <img src=/S/hello.gif border=0 alt=hello width=25 height=29> Im sure this has been covered, can anyone point me in the direction of related threads. Im trying to upgrade an old machine from 95 to 98, I have both the original 95 disc, Product Id code #, and the upgrade disc, where do I go from here? The old machine has only 500mg on C drive, and an added 4 gig drive on D, since 95 was originally installed onto C, will I have enough room to take it up to 98? Hope this is making sense to someone out there? <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20> Thank you....

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Oh boy, my friend, where to start. Is there ANY possibility that you can BACKUP the important stuff from this machine and do a "clean" install, rather than an upgrade? My experience with upgrading from 95 to 98 is that you're likely to have problems later on. The machine may be running fine now under 95 but there's a lot of "junk" that has probably accumulated in the time that the machine has been running 95 and you'd just be leaving all that crud there and adding a new OS on top of it. If you can backup important stuff, re-format the C: drive and then use the Win98 CD to start the install, when it gets to the point of wanting your "previous OS" info, you should be able to insert the Win95 CD and let it (Win98) find the file(s) it needs to confirm ownership. You didn't say what the total size of the hard drive is, but in spite of that I don't think SPACE is gonna be your concern, rather the fact that you need to get Win95 out of the way, so to speak. Come on back and I'm sure others will chime in here.

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Hi Al, thanks for the reply. Its kind of a long story, I was going to do as you suggested (mainly to see if I could), I read many posts in here and realized how many drivers I would have to ensure were backed up, with only a floppy drive to do so it was not a good option. So figured maybe upgrading it to 98 (since I had the disc) was a possibility. The original hard drive is only 500 mgs, years back I had a tech install an additional hard drive (D) which is another 4 gigs. I wanted to try this stuff because I am encouraged to learn more about it all after reading so much in here. Trying to teach myself by using my old machine and learning as I go. Probably a dumb idea, yes?? <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Learning something new is never a dumb idea. If you back up your Data and you have your programs on CD's I think Win98 will take care of some of your Drivers because it has more to work with then Win95 did. Not only that but once you do the clean install you can always find the drivers you need that Win98 and your program CD's didn't provide. I have done it many many times. You would be surprised how easy it is to find drivers on the internet, even for older hardware. If you do a clean install set your 4GB Hard Drive up as your C: drive and use the other for temp files or something.

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Well, Ouch! I glean from this that we're talking about a desktop machine, not a laptop and that makes the drivers problem easier. Cowboy's right - drivers are usually easy to find and let's face it, there are only two that are critical - video and sound, and even sound is not so critical. Any other hardware you've got can always be taken care of later (drivers) after you're up and running. The reason I said Ouch is that I really wouldn't want to install Win98 on anything less than a 1 or 2 gig hard drive, so I think you'd be pushing it with 500 meg and may not even make it. Can you take Cowboy's other suggestion and re-cable the hard drives so the bigger one is the master and the old one a slave? By the way, talking about finding drivers, if you haven't picked up on it here in The Lounge, you ought to get a copy of Belarc Advisor and run it on this machine. It's free and easy to do and will give you a good list of what hardware you DO have, by name.

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Hi Cowboy and Al, you guys make it sound so easy, guess Im wary coz its a first for me, the data is no problem, already done, the software is also pretty much covered as I own it. So I reckon my troubles will happen with the C drive being so small, windows 98 I am sure wont fit onto it. Hey guys, Im already worried about reformatting little own swapping the drives around, though I can see why it is necessary if I go straight to windows 98. Thanks for all your help and advice, I know how happy it would make me to try this and actually have it work! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Thats a terrific site Al, thank you very much. I have not even tried to log the old machine online, the modem is slow but okay (I think). Ill find out, log it on, grab that site, and let it run a scan to tell me what I need to know. Very cool..... <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15>

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    98 will fit on a 500 meg drive, but there's a hitch: during setup, it needs a place to expand and copy the files from CD, and by default it will choose the C: drive. There won't be enough room for setup to do that. You can force setup to use a different drive for temporary files by running it from a DOS prompt by using this command:
    <UL>SETUP T:{TMPDIR}[/list]where {TMPDIR} is the drive letter and folder where the temporary files will go. Frankly I would avoid upgrading at all costs because it will save you a lot of heartache down the road. You can also direct setup to install on the D: drive once it starts, and then use the smaller C: drive for other things once you're done.

    A final thought is that you should consider getting the requisite drivers before you ever start - at least for video and the modem/network card (whichever you use to get online). I'd use the machine to be upgraded and save the driver files to the D: drive, that way they will be available when setup completes.
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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Hi CD,
    For what it is worth here is what I would do. Switch the drives around. Make the C, D and make D, C by moving the master - slave jumpers on the drives. Then format the new C drive (the big one) and install windows 98. All the windows 95 files will still be on the new D drive. And if things don't work out you can just reverse the process and be back to windows 95, minus anything you presently have installed on D. Does that all make sense? I hope so. If it works out you can then delete everything off the D drive.

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    <img src=/S/nosleep.gif border=0 alt=nosleep width=27 height=15> Hi Mark, technical is SO not my thing, I fear Im in way over my head! Okay, you said:- "Frankly I would avoid upgrading at all costs because it will save you a lot of heartache down the road. You can also direct setup to install on the D: drive once it starts, and then use the smaller C: drive for other things once you're done." Do you mean avoid upgrading to 98 or to try using D drive to install 98 onto?
    I do not trust myself to be attempting switching drives, as I do not understand anything in this area. The computer in question has an external Banksia modem, I have all the original stuff that came with it, the drives would be with that, yes? (I will check). I am feeling even more stupid asking this question, but if I understand correctly, you suggest backing up all driver files onto D (good idea), but this is in the event I am upgrading to 98 not reformatting and installing 98, have I understood you there? Thank you for the advice, though Im total idiot in this area, I am taking in a lot of information, thus learning a little more as I go. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Thanks for jumping in and trying to help, but I would not have a clue here, will just have to plead dumb blonde, toss my hands in the air and <img src=/S/flee.gif border=0 alt=flee width=25 height=25> I can see from all the people trying to help me here, that Ive taken on more than I am capable of at this stage, however I will not give up totally. I have learned a great deal by reading the links and suggestions posted by everyone, and have had minor success in various areas that I'd never have attempted in the past. I do not feel any of this is a waste of time, as knowledge is gained in the doing, and learned by mistakes.

    Thank you to everyone in here who has tried to help this technically challenged girl attempt something out her grasp. In the meantime I will apply what I have learned, and use the old machine to practice ~ the journey continues. You folks are truly the best!

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Hi Cyber,

    Technical is not your thing? And you like computers? <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15> Yes, I mean avoid the upgrade process - just install Windows 98 into a different directory. When setup asks (rather, "tells") you where Windows is going to land, change the drive letter to D: and make it install there. You will then be free from stray and weird leftover files on the C: drive and have enough space as well. Upgrades are a wonderful concept but I've had enough odd problems from them that I avoid it unless I have no other options.

    The drivers should be with the modem software. Windows 95 drivers usually work with 98.

    I was suggesting that before you start, you download all drivers for your hardware into a folder on the D: drive so that you have the most recent versions available when you install 98. Say, DRIVERS. In this case it won't matter whether you format C: or not, the software will be tucked away safe and sound on a different drive for you to access when you want them.

    Now, stop that self deprecating "I'm an idiot" nonsense! If you've never done this before, it can be a little daunting but if you want to learn and do it yourself, just jump in and know that you have a community here to help you out if you get stuck.
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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Amen to what Mark said, missy! Go for it! You can do it and we're here to help you (fortunately, not like the old "government man" joke)

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Yeah, you can do it. We can walk you through it and you can take notes <img src=/S/rtfm.gif border=0 alt=rtfm width=24 height=23> and Bang, it's done.

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    Re: Upgrading 95 to 98

    Hi Cyber,
    Before you plead "dumb blonde" and give up, try this website. I've always found that if you have a mental image of what you are going to do before you attempt it, you aren't as intimidated by the process. The photos here may not be exactly like your drive, but they will show you where to look for the jumpers and how to determine the correct jumper settings on your drive (they are all pretty similar in these respects). It's as easy as everyone here says it is and once you see the photos, I'm sure you will too. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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