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    Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Hi there, after reading all the various posts on hotfixes that slow down/speed up peoples computers, I'm in a bit of a pickle! Are any of the updates worth applying. I know that there are some security issues, but useablilty is more important to me. I feel that I know enough not to expose my data (good AV and firewall etc). As far as I can see SP1 and the other updates only cause problems. Ant thoughts?

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    I personally only use the ones I need to keep things working correctly. Another words if I ran into a problem that could only, or could best be fixed by a Hotfix, then I used it. I am a firm believer in " If in ain't broke Don't fix it", but I am sure your going to get an ear full on this one. But what ever you decide to do make sure you research that Fix or Fixes before you install.

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    I've never read any reports that -- for example -- SP-1 damaged every system. Small comfort! The slowdowns reported were generally application specific in memory allocation which, I came to understand, include graphics programs.

    Microsoft Technical Support had no question that SP-1 does cause that and a couple of other less dire problems and, when removed by installing XP over the existing installation, there are very serious consequences. It's my understanding they withdrew the hotfix for SP-1.

    Bottom line on that, the senior MS Support Technician who helped me said without reservation to never attempt to remove SP-1 in that manner -- re-installation of XP -- as I had been instructed by another MS tech. He also said very clearly that I should wait for SP-2 rather than accept any hotfixes FOR THAT SITUATION. My system remains erratic at times though that senior support person did fix all the worst problems, tromping around in registry and finding and replacing specific files from the install disk. It required an hour, well spent.

    Cowboy's right, you'll hear from others. As for me, I have automatic update <img src=/S/smash.gif border=0 alt=smash width=30 height=26> disabled.
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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Why would anyone download / Install (often the same thing with M$ "updates" & "patches") something that they can't remove, if they don't like what it does to THEIR computer ???!!!???
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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Well said Doc. <img src=/S/megashout.gif border=0 alt=megashout width=33 height=17>

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    take everything your read here with a grain of salt. I personally stay on top of fixes. One drawback of not apply fixes is possible security exposure (in spite of running AV & firewall software). There are numerous (many, many times more) success stories with SP-1 than problems. However, there are problems with some installations of SP1. Overall though, I'd say install it (after backing up your system). I'd read about the critical and recommended updates after SP-1 (from Windows update) and decide about each individually. You might also look at the MS general XP newsgroup for comments and help about specific updates. Remember there are very few people who will write about their success with a service pack or hotfixes unless someone asks. So, most of what you see are from those who have problems.

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    A grain of salt Joe. Come on man thats a little harsh don't ya think? Don't know about anyone else, but I never said I have had problems with anything. I just said " If It Ain't Broke Don't Fix It" If I have a problem I investigate it and use the best Fix for that situation, wheather it be Microsoft or the Manufacturers Fix. I prefer the Manufacturers if possible, but thats just me. A grain of salt.....Ouch <img src=/S/drop.gif border=0 alt=drop width=23 height=23>

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Doc,

    There are us innocents in the woods -- or in the middle of the Pacific Ocean -- who get sucked in by the immensity of Microsoft and we tend to think that maybe, just this once, a service pack will actually work!

    And in a moment of total abandon, we spend a ton of hours downloading it and then install it and the rest is history. I've never mastered the art of cynicism but I'm working on it.

    There were a lot of people surprised by SP-1 -- regardless of the number of those who claim it does no harm -- and they include KB writers at MS. It does cause serious memory allocation problems for some apps and those can lead to trying to do something about it such as un-installing. And, as I learned, even following MS Tech Support instructions can wreck the system when you get to that point.

    How's a poor cowboy supposed to know? Next time I'll give you a phone call first. Or, better yet, I'll call Joe. <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16>

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Cowboy, I was including my opinions in those that should be taken thusly. I didn't mean to make you feel singled out. Sometimes with the 'If it ain't broke' approach you may have a problem that could be growing but not yet visible. And it could be too late to avoid a serious issue when it does manifest itself. I agree about investigating and trying to use the best fix when there is a problem. And it was only one grain not the whole shaker <img src=/S/yikes.gif border=0 alt=yikes width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    I'm sure Joe meant "a pinch of salt" so it would cover his comments, too, and mine for that matter. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
    Anyway, I used to be in Joe's camp until the most recent series of SNAFUs with hot fixes. Now I'm more inclined to sit on the fence - you get a better view, but it's a tad uncomfortable. And I do understand the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" argument, but I'm too much of a tinkerer to leave things alone for too long. Besides there's always a chance that I can not only fix it, but make it better! <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>
    Summary - Your decision, but if you do update, maybe wait for others to do the "bleeding edge" bit so any problems get aired and sorted first. If you don't update, make sure you do good backups, and keep your firewall and AV up to date.
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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    OK a few grains I can handle. And the If it ain't broke thing is just an old saying. I am always tweeking and upgrading and overclocking and such. But I never download a fix for something, that is not in need of Fixing. If it will make my Machine run faster and cleaner , I'm all for it. But I have found, I can do that most the time without Microsoft or their Fixes. Of course that is not always the case, but most the time, it is.

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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Hi Bill,
    I'd call Joe first. His knowledge and understanding of these things far exceeds mine !!! <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15> With all their inept, bumbling attempts to correct the problems they create by not properly testing their software before foisting it on the public and then moving on to a "new and improved" OS before they have fixed the old one may be a successful business model, but it makes for a lousy computing experience. I always wait for MS to issue an OS with their first service pack or major fix package before I get involved with it. Saves a lot of headaches and I'm only slightly behind the curve when it comes to the "cutting edge of technology". And when it comes to installing updates or patches that you can't remove, I have to ask "Why doesn't Microsoft want me to remove this ???" But if you must install these things, I recommend that you install GoBack before you install the update or patch. MS system restore will not remove the settings from these patches, but GoBack will revert your system to a time before they were installed and it's like they were never there !!! Better safe than sorry. And Microsoft Tech Support.......... I don't go there, literally or figuratively. I'm confused enough already !!! <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>
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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Doc,

    Amen to all that. I don't use Microsoft Tech Support because I can't afford it! the people who I reported in my earlier post were 'given' to me by Microsoft at no charge because they had the SP-1 problems that required some fundamental and knowlegeable help. As I said, they batted .500.

    The XP professional that I installed in February 2002 was a better system than the one I have now with the updates that were installed and the fiasco of SP-1.

    Aloha from the middle of the Pacific Ocean,
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    Re: Updating. Yes or no? (XP Pro)

    Whoa. I dont know about an earful Cowboy, but its great to hear all your opinions. Ive had automatic update disabled since I got my machine, but maybe its time to dip into the murky waters of SP1. I think the hotfixes can wait. I guess that being on the bleeding edge is too scary for me (and the people I work for!). It seems to be all about confidence in your own skills to recover a bad situation and confidence in MS not to REALLY screw up your machine. I think I'll only be confident after sitting on the fence for a while. and learning from you guys. Thanks again.

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