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    Backup Again!

    I know some will laugh when I bring this subject up AGAIN, but I'm looking for a program to do nitely file-by-file backup, in replacement for an OLD Cheyenne Backup (Computer Associates). Cheyenne is out of production and the old copy I have will not run under XP. The reason I always liked it is that it has a "copy" function, as opposed to the typical backup program which packs everything into a big backup file, compressed or not. As one who constantly recommends Karen Kenworthy's Replicator to folks, I should say that it would do the job but would require SO MANY "jobs" to be created because of the diverse locations of my daily changing files that need backing up. Many of you will remember that I make weekly drive images of all my partitions, but nightly I make duplicate copies of files that change every day, like bookmarks, address books, word processor files, and so on. These varied files are in such divergent locations that using a program like Karen's is almost as difficult as doing it with old fashioned batch files. I'm looking for something like Cheyenne that will let me "click-pick" the files or directories that I want COPIED to a machine on my LAN.

    I'm going to give Retrospect a try, but it's a tad pricey for this kind of thing. I've looked and looked at various programs on TUCOWS but so far I haven't come up with anything like what I want. Can anyone make a suggestion?

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    Re: Backup Again!

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    Centered's Second Copy is cheaper and may be faster--30 day free trial. I have Retrospect Express, but if you're on a network you may want the newest Retrospect 6.5. <A target="_blank" HREF="http://www.ntibackupnow.com/default.asp">
    NTI's Backup Now Deluxe</A> has a free trial and has a number of satisfied experienced users. I don't think I can find anything free or cheaper that works as well as these.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Hi Al:
    I've been very dissatisfied with the backup programs out there. I haven't tried Retrospect. I did try BackUpMyPC, which is a replacement for Seagate's Backup Exec. For the most part, I liked Backup Exec, but did have problems. I tried BackUpMyPC, but there were two problems.
    1. Win98 (Fat32) has a 4 gig limit. Therefore, I couldn't do an unintended backup.
    2. On my burner, I couldn't backup to CD. I want the option to backup to a removable hard drive or to a CD.

    Fred Langa had a series of articles on backup & someone just posted links to all of them, but I can't search. <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15> Unfortunately, it was too general for me. I do use Drive Image, but that doesn't do a file by file restore (although the latest version might). But those two programs seem to be the only two out there for the type of task you want. Isn't it a shame that backup programs haven't kept up with the current needs? (I think tape is just too out of date.)

    Let me know what you come up with.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Hi, Phil & Al ~

    Here is the Langa link if it may be of any help.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    I use a little batch file. Just to give you a flavor:

    @ECHO Off
    ECHO.
    ECHO Please close any open documents and exit Outlook before proceeding.
    ECHO When you are ready to back up, return to this window.
    ECHO.
    ECHO If you don't want to back up now, press Ctrl+c to stop. Otherwise,
    ECHO.
    Pause
    c:
    cd
    cd COCUME~1USERNAMEMYDOCU~1
    XCOPY *.* E:BKUPWORDDOCS /m/s/f/y
    cd cOCUME~1USERNAMEAPPLIC~1MICROS~1TEMPLA~1
    XCOPY *.* E:BKUPWORDTEMP /m/s/f/y
    XCOPY COCUME~1USERNAMEAPPLIC~1MICROS~1ProofCUSTOM.DIC E:BKUP /m/s/f/y
    cd COCUME~1USERNAMEAPPLIC~1MICROS~1office
    XCOPY *.* E:BKUPOFFICE /m/s/f/y
    cd COCUME~1USERNAMEAPPLIC~1MICROS~1outlook
    XCOPY *.* E:BKUPOUTLOOK /m/s/f/y
    cd calm
    XCOPY *.* E:BKUPPALM /m/s/f/y
    cd COCUME~1USERNAMELOCALS~1APPLIC~1MICROS~1Outlook
    XCOPY ARCHIVE1.PST E:BKUPOUTLOOK /m/f/y
    XCOPY ARCHIVE2.PST E:BKUPOUTLOOK /m/f/y
    XCOPY ARCHIVE3.PST E:BKUPOUTLOOK /m/f/y
    XCOPY OUTLOOK.PST E:BKUPOUTLOOK /m/f/y
    XCOPY oldpab.pab E:BKUPOUTLOOK /m/f/y
    XCOPY COCUME~1USERNAMEFAVORI~1 E:BKUPBOOKMARK /m/s/f/y
    ECHO.
    ECHO *** Backup completed ***
    Pause

    This overwrites any conflicting/earlier versions. To save the older versions, just rename E:BKUP prior to running the batch file.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Thanks for the tips and links so far everyone! Oh boy, Jefferson, that batch file of yours brings BACK my DOS days memories. XCOPY is exactly how I used to do this sort of thing too. In my case NOW however, the file and folder locations I want to copy are so convoluted that the batch file for me would be greatly longer than what you showed. I will do exactly that, if push comes to shove. First I'm going to take a trial look at the NTI backup program. The price is OK if you exclude their drive imaging software, which I don't need. The attachment to this post is a clipped and cropped copy of one of their screenshots to illustrate the "click-and-pick" mentality that I want.. Most other programs, including Second Copy (above) limit you to ONE folder and/or files to a backup profile and if I were going to live with that, I'd just do the batch file trick!

    I also downloaded a trial copy of Retrospect since my "gang" at work have used the server version for a long time. However, I guess there's no one home on weekends! The trial software says I need a license key, even for the trial and I haven't yet gotten that email.

    Thanks again everyone. If you happen by here and have another suggestion, I'd appreciate it. Meanwhile, I'm off to try the NTI product.
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    Re: Backup Again!

    Big Al
    Iknow it probably is not quite what you want (you did say separate copies of each file) but I use UltimateZip which has a backup facility which you can then automate thro a scheduler. I compress to a cab file but I suppose you don't have to compress although you would of course still have one overall file.
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    Re: Backup Again!

    Thanks for that tip. I guess I shall go take a look at it. Meanwhile, I did a small test of a bunch of stuff on one of my partitions. I instructed Backup Now NOT to compress and it seemed to be pretty speedy. Like most of these kinds of programs, it too creates a SINGLE file with your backup data, on the destination disk. I would've preferred raw file copy, rather than a single file, but I did check the process of going into that backup file to retrieve a couple of files. I wanted to check that speed and see if it would let me restore the files to a DIFFERENT location than where they belong. OK on both points, so - so far, so good! My backup destination hard drives are on a dedicated machine on my LAN, and Backup Now doesn't have the "intelligence" to see the LAN (UNC) unless the drives/shares are mapped. Not too cool, but certainly acceptable.

    Now I have a second test of this program set for later today to see that its scheduler works OK. Now, I've got to go change a few files to give it something to do during THAT test. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Thanks again for the added tip.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Hi Big Al:

    Following your advice many months ago, I installed and began using Karen's Replicator. It starts up every morning at 4 am. One morning it backs up <font color=blue>crogram files</font color=blue>... and the next morning it backs up <font color=blue>c:documents and settingsricky</font color=blue>... and then it repeats the routine every other day. Effortless and it doesn't take long as the program is smart enough to consider changed or added files only. And, the price is incredible... <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>

    I don't have anything new to recommend, but I did want to take the opportunity to thank you for bringing this program to my attention some time ago. <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16>
    - Ricky

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Edited by WyllyWylly to add URL code. See the Quick Guide.[/i] <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    Check out http://www.fileware.com/index.htm and look for FileSynch. I use it to back up/synch a variety of files on a daily basis.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    You're welcome, and I STILL continue to recommend her software, including Replicator. You gave two perfect examples of how easy it is to use! It's just that, in my case it would take so many "jobs" to get all the files that are spread all over five partitions, that I'm opting for something with click-and-pick capabilities. Continued good luck to you with Replicator!

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Thanks, I'll have a look. I couldn't tell for sure from the screenshot whether it's pick-and-click, so I've downloaded a copy and will take a look.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Did you check out Bruce's link to Langa in <post#=255164 >post 255164 </post#> (and elsewhere recently)? It discusses an approach that gets away from files spread out all over the place, and makes the modest claim to provide "total immunity from data loss". There's a fair bit of reading, especially if you check out some of the links included, but it is interesting. And in your case could allow a broader choice of potential backup tools.

    Essentially, Langa advocates organising your data and drives to suit backup requirements. That is, your disks are partitioned so that frequently modified files are in one partition, less frequently modified ones in another, rarely modified files in another one, and static source files are in yet another partition, etc. There's a bit more to it, and probably not quite as radical as I've made it sound. If you're prepared to follow his way, the claim he makes might even be reasonable.

    It provides food for thought. I've put it to one side to think about for a while since it's at odds with the way I've always organised my files, according to a logical(?) hieararchies - function based for programs, and a project or subject based for data. The simplified backup (and recovery) sound attractive, but I'm not sure I'm willing to pay the price needed to change. Things could be different if I were starting from scratch, but even then I'm not entirely convinced.
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    Re: Backup Again!

    Hi Big Al.

    In today's Int'l Hearld Tribune there is an article on backups. . It compares iomegas new backup software and a freeware product as well. IHT is now owned by the New York Times, so you may find the same story there.

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    Re: Backup Again!

    Yeah, thanks Tim, I did (sort of) check the Langa stuff, but not with too much scrutiny, I must admit. I've been a fan of and big follower of Fred Langa for many years, but on this score, he's too far out for my tastes. I can't imagine reorganizing my "thinking," organizing of stuff and so on, to accomodate backing up essential files. I have "stuff" on my partitions organized topically already and, like you, I'm not willing to pay the price of such a mindset change.

    I continue to follow Fred, but this is kinda like his other backup strategy - using CDs for full or incremental backup. I have to laugh when he writes about storing his backup CDs in his car and stuff like that, for SAFETY sake! I've used a dedicated machine with four good size hard drives, in removable trays, to do my weekly imaging and (if I wanted to, which I don't) I could take those TRAYS and put them in the trunk of my car and let 'em fry in the hot Kentucky sun!

    Well, enough smart-aleck talk on my part (I AM just kidding!). Thanks for the reminder. So far, Backup Now for nitelies looks like it's gonna do the job. More later.....

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